• MotoAsh@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Yes, I’m speaking in the sub-context of explaining what kinds of cruelty already exists. This context stems from the “tap the sign” reference which was used to speak against cruelty towards horrible people who ostensibly actually deserve it.

    If you’re against cruelty to people who ostensibly deserve it, cruelty to those who don’t should be a much higher priority. Yes, it is in effect a what-about-ism, but perspective is critical to having solid moral axioms.

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      1 year ago

      There’s a difference in having perspective and bringing up last week’s book at book club.

      I am against cruelty. Full stop. I am against torture. I don’t have to list every type of torture to say I’m against this one. You’re right, though, it’s whataboutism. You’re not adding perspective that cops are bastards on this tiny little federated open source website. Everyone here already knows that. We’re all some sort of non-mainstream political identity. Look, that guy over there is a anarcho-syndaclyst furry. All you’re doing is muddying the waters over a very simple statement that torture is bad.

      Regarding anyone “deserving torture” Frodo: ‘It’s a pity Bilbo didn’t kill Gollum when he had the chance.’ Gandalf: 'Pity? It’s a pity that stayed Bilbo’s hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many

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          So you think torture is fun? Because it’s not useful for gaining information. The only reason to do it is to make yourself feel better. Are you that sort of person? Gotta get your enemies into a position they can’t defend themselves then you’ll take your time causing pain? Your real world isn’t worth preservation of you won’t work towards a better one.