I think them trying to win gamers over is just going to Streisand effect the hatred instead. I don’t want 3rd party anything that I don’t elect to install, even if it doesn’t effect the performance( which I also don’t buy).
Streisand effect is when someone wants a certain piece of info hidden.
A ton of gamers are already putting Denuvo into discussion - this isn’t quieting it, it’s just giving their take (whether you care about it or believe it is up to you).
The nebulous “third party anything” sounds absurd to me though. It’s traditional for games to have 18 libraries/toolkits from SpeedTree to modeling components to renderware. Quite often half of those are badly implemented.
Just out of curiosity: How would you feel about metrics tracking, which is often 3rd party? Eg, software that tells the devs that anyone who doesn’t pick up a secret piece of armor dies at least 50 times to the first boss? When devs are following that they tend to make better decisions around design, and it’s often yet another library layer thrown on.
I’m aware the Streisand effect is specifically regarding concealing info causing way more attention drawn to it, my point is that highlighting the fact that gamers hate Denuvo and trying to change that fact will most likely only amplify the hatred.
I will be more specific I hate any software that isn’t required for a game to work. The reason why I worded it vaguely is because I’m not just talking about DRM, but anti-cheat and launchers as well (even though launchers aren’t 3rd party).
As far as metrics are concerned I’m perfectly ok with that, as long as I have the option to opt-in or at the very least made aware of it.
What it really boils down to is I don’t want any unnecessary extraneous packages with the software that I actually want. For the most part I avoid games that add these things.
Denuvo does nothing of what you mention. It’s a DRM that hurts performance and gives a shitty experience for people actually buying the games. Not wanting 3rd party programs installed on your PC is a normal stance. Even Steam is a 3rd party program that technically shouldn’t be there. It gives lots of benefits to the players though, that’s why people put up with it. Same for every shitty launcher every game studio pushes into their game.
Right - that’s why I’m confused about Kraxx’s stance. He/she generalized to not liking “3rd party anything” which just seemed ridiculous to me. One way or another, our games are built around tons of 3rd-party software. Launchers are the more visible portion of that, but there’s plenty of others.
That’s why I avoid games with launchers for the most part. I also specified what I meant by third party software, I could have worded that more concisely.
I never said I was in favor of launchers, either - they’re annoying. I only pointed out they’re the visible ones. I’m trying to figure out just how far the hate for “everything 3rd-party” goes. I’m trying to qualify the statement.
I’m helping by providing direct evidence that gamers hate even mild inconveniences. I have hatred in my heart and soul for the EA launcher, for the Ubisoft launcher and for any other 3rd party launcher that isn’t steam.
Anything that isn’t the game itself is worthy of hate if it does anything but enhance the enjoyment of the game.
I think them trying to win gamers over is just going to Streisand effect the hatred instead. I don’t want 3rd party anything that I don’t elect to install, even if it doesn’t effect the performance( which I also don’t buy).
Streisand effect is when someone wants a certain piece of info hidden.
A ton of gamers are already putting Denuvo into discussion - this isn’t quieting it, it’s just giving their take (whether you care about it or believe it is up to you).
The nebulous “third party anything” sounds absurd to me though. It’s traditional for games to have 18 libraries/toolkits from SpeedTree to modeling components to renderware. Quite often half of those are badly implemented.
Just out of curiosity: How would you feel about metrics tracking, which is often 3rd party? Eg, software that tells the devs that anyone who doesn’t pick up a secret piece of armor dies at least 50 times to the first boss? When devs are following that they tend to make better decisions around design, and it’s often yet another library layer thrown on.
I’m aware the Streisand effect is specifically regarding concealing info causing way more attention drawn to it, my point is that highlighting the fact that gamers hate Denuvo and trying to change that fact will most likely only amplify the hatred.
I will be more specific I hate any software that isn’t required for a game to work. The reason why I worded it vaguely is because I’m not just talking about DRM, but anti-cheat and launchers as well (even though launchers aren’t 3rd party).
As far as metrics are concerned I’m perfectly ok with that, as long as I have the option to opt-in or at the very least made aware of it.
What it really boils down to is I don’t want any unnecessary extraneous packages with the software that I actually want. For the most part I avoid games that add these things.
Denuvo does nothing of what you mention. It’s a DRM that hurts performance and gives a shitty experience for people actually buying the games. Not wanting 3rd party programs installed on your PC is a normal stance. Even Steam is a 3rd party program that technically shouldn’t be there. It gives lots of benefits to the players though, that’s why people put up with it. Same for every shitty launcher every game studio pushes into their game.
Right - that’s why I’m confused about Kraxx’s stance. He/she generalized to not liking “3rd party anything” which just seemed ridiculous to me. One way or another, our games are built around tons of 3rd-party software. Launchers are the more visible portion of that, but there’s plenty of others.
That’s why I avoid games with launchers for the most part. I also specified what I meant by third party software, I could have worded that more concisely.
Launchers are also shit and should be eliminated. Aside from Steam who actually put in the work to make a decent one.
I never said I was in favor of launchers, either - they’re annoying. I only pointed out they’re the visible ones. I’m trying to figure out just how far the hate for “everything 3rd-party” goes. I’m trying to qualify the statement.
I’m helping by providing direct evidence that gamers hate even mild inconveniences. I have hatred in my heart and soul for the EA launcher, for the Ubisoft launcher and for any other 3rd party launcher that isn’t steam.
Anything that isn’t the game itself is worthy of hate if it does anything but enhance the enjoyment of the game.