This is a bad faith meme that represents anyone making any form of compromise as a rude, close-minded, genocide supporter, posted by an account that frequently posts pro-China, sometimes pro-Russia propaganda, and hops between Western country-focused lemmy’s pending election cycles.
Just making sure the context for this post is visible.
The meme is 100% good-faith, and it’s made by a Leftist that is sick of the constant far-right slide the Dems go through. The account making this comment frequently attacks leftists as “tankies” as well.
Just making sure the context for this comment is visible.
That this post was made in good faith. The way conversation between the left, the right, and the centrist voters is either dishonest, or shows a horrible misunderstanding of common opinion. If it is the latter, I am wrong about the good faith bit, hence the “I hope I am wrong,” though I am not happy about either outcome.
How is it “dishonest?” As a Leftist voter, it absolutely depicts what I agree with, liberals have been moving further and further right to the point of rationalizing genocide. How is it a “horrible misunderstanding?”
This is a bad faith meme that represents anyone making any form of compromise as a rude
They’re not depicted as rude, they’re depicted as an know-it-all eager compromiser that ends up working for the forces of reaction because they have no real principles or red lines.
close-minded
That is generally the attitude of “centrists” and people that go out of the way to congratulate themselves on “being practical” by triamgulating. If they were open to actual principles they eould no longer be triangulating on them, and triangulating is their primary commitment.
genocide supporter
Like virtually every Democratic member of Congress and both of their presidential candidates? Anyone tolerating that is indeed complicit. It does not require any mental gymnastics to acknowledge this.
posted by an account that frequently posts pro-China
No!!! I almost passed out when I read that. You’re telling me there are good aspects of a designated enemy of empire!? Impossible.
Open-minded btw.
sometimes pro-Russia propaganda
Not another designated enemy!!! I almost died when I read this.
and hops between Western country-focused lemmy’s pending election cycles.
Is this supposed to imply something bad about them?
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies.
From Wikipedia.
The comment I am responding to never denied that there is an influx of tankies here. Instead you said I shouldn’t be surprised to find leftists here, inferring that leftists are tankies. Being authoritarian and manipulating information to manipulate people is not a leftist value.
You can disagree with me all you want. I’ll respect that. I would appreciate if you had better respect than to treat me like I am insane and my statements make no sense just because you disagree.
It’s more that anyone that uses the word “tankie” as an unironic pejorative is extremely likely to have never read Marxist theory and are just trying to attack Marxists that go against the standard western narrative. You just pulling the Wikipedia article when both of us are obviously familiar with the term is just condescending.
Nobody is intentionally “authoritarian.” The people trying to separate “authoritarian” Communists from “true” Communists are the same people that say there has never been “true” attempts at building Communism. Moreover, the separation point between “authoritarian” and “democratic” is never outlined, it’s purely vibes-based and meaningless. Marx and Engels were often called “authoritarian” as well, to the point that Engels wrote On Authority to debunk the entire vibes-based notion of it.
I am not treating you like you are “insane,” but that you are out of your depth when it comes to Leftist theory if you’re going to be throwing the term “tankie” around like it has actual meaning.
Don’t conflate my concern in speaking out against discourse like as “seething and coping.” My goal is to call out attempts to divide and other people for what it is.
People elect representatives to represent them, not to compromise and pass the opposition’s agenda.
It’s forgivable if the representative failed to obtain enough power, but if they have literally any means at their disposal and don’t use it, an unwillingness to use all the power the people gave them to do what they elected them to do is a betrayal of those people.
This is a bad faith meme that represents anyone making any form of compromise as a rude, close-minded, genocide supporter, posted by an account that frequently posts pro-China, sometimes pro-Russia propaganda, and hops between Western country-focused lemmy’s pending election cycles.
Just making sure the context for this post is visible.
The meme is 100% good-faith, and it’s made by a Leftist that is sick of the constant far-right slide the Dems go through. The account making this comment frequently attacks leftists as “tankies” as well.
Just making sure the context for this comment is visible.
That is not my experience. I hope I am the one who is wrong.
Which part is not your experience? That you call leftists “tankies?” Or that @[email protected] is a leftist?
That this post was made in good faith. The way conversation between the left, the right, and the centrist voters is either dishonest, or shows a horrible misunderstanding of common opinion. If it is the latter, I am wrong about the good faith bit, hence the “I hope I am wrong,” though I am not happy about either outcome.
How is it “dishonest?” As a Leftist voter, it absolutely depicts what I agree with, liberals have been moving further and further right to the point of rationalizing genocide. How is it a “horrible misunderstanding?”
a lost redditor appears
They’re not depicted as rude, they’re depicted as an know-it-all eager compromiser that ends up working for the forces of reaction because they have no real principles or red lines.
That is generally the attitude of “centrists” and people that go out of the way to congratulate themselves on “being practical” by triamgulating. If they were open to actual principles they eould no longer be triangulating on them, and triangulating is their primary commitment.
Like virtually every Democratic member of Congress and both of their presidential candidates? Anyone tolerating that is indeed complicit. It does not require any mental gymnastics to acknowledge this.
No!!! I almost passed out when I read that. You’re telling me there are good aspects of a designated enemy of empire!? Impossible.
Open-minded btw.
Not another designated enemy!!! I almost died when I read this.
Is this supposed to imply something bad about them?
And here I thought statements of lemmy.ml being overrun with tankies were exaggurated. Boy your deconstruction of my post sure showed me!
Sounds like you just can’t defend your own comment. You’re all talk when it’s time to call people names but this is your entire response to me? lmao
I hope you can someday have the courage of your convictions, “anti-authoritarian”.
Very surprising that the main instance admin’d by leftists has leftists on it.
Authoritarian manipulation is not a leftist value.
What do you mean “authoritarian manipulation?” What on Earth are you talking about?
From Wikipedia.
The comment I am responding to never denied that there is an influx of tankies here. Instead you said I shouldn’t be surprised to find leftists here, inferring that leftists are tankies. Being authoritarian and manipulating information to manipulate people is not a leftist value.
You can disagree with me all you want. I’ll respect that. I would appreciate if you had better respect than to treat me like I am insane and my statements make no sense just because you disagree.
It’s more that anyone that uses the word “tankie” as an unironic pejorative is extremely likely to have never read Marxist theory and are just trying to attack Marxists that go against the standard western narrative. You just pulling the Wikipedia article when both of us are obviously familiar with the term is just condescending.
Nobody is intentionally “authoritarian.” The people trying to separate “authoritarian” Communists from “true” Communists are the same people that say there has never been “true” attempts at building Communism. Moreover, the separation point between “authoritarian” and “democratic” is never outlined, it’s purely vibes-based and meaningless. Marx and Engels were often called “authoritarian” as well, to the point that Engels wrote On Authority to debunk the entire vibes-based notion of it.
I am not treating you like you are “insane,” but that you are out of your depth when it comes to Leftist theory if you’re going to be throwing the term “tankie” around like it has actual meaning.
Seeing you seething and coping publicly really makes my day little buddy.
Don’t conflate my concern in speaking out against discourse like as “seething and coping.” My goal is to call out attempts to divide and other people for what it is.
stay mad
People elect representatives to represent them, not to compromise and pass the opposition’s agenda.
It’s forgivable if the representative failed to obtain enough power, but if they have literally any means at their disposal and don’t use it, an unwillingness to use all the power the people gave them to do what they elected them to do is a betrayal of those people.