Communists in the USSR weren’t that good either, don’t forget that too… Oh, and weren’t they also the ones that collaborated with the nazis from 1939 to 1941?
The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was not societ “collaboration” with the Nazis. It was a self-preserving, non-aggression treaty between a rising fascist empire hell-bent on destroying workers movements like communism as all fascists are and a young workers movement that had been besieged since it’s inception. It gave them the time they needed to industrialize and prepare for the inevitable war with the Germans which they sacrificed so much for. 80% of Nazis were killed by the red army and 27 million soviets died for it.
Calling that pact collaboration is incredibly direspectful to their history and reveals a severe lack of understanding in both politics and the material situation of those societies at the time.
Yup. I hate historical revisionism. The pact was strategic, not a tacit approval of Nazism.
Even if you view it from the German point of view, it was the same. Hitler didn’t suddenly like Communism for a short while. He had to build up his forces for invasion.
They’re definitely misrepresenting the situation, like @ComradeSharkfucker explained, and I think it would be great if someone could make/share a FAQ so we wouldn’t have to keep typing this by hand. But telling people to read a book some time is the arrogant crap that alienates us from the people we need on our side.
More people are reading this than the person you replied to.
They are here in bad faith and treating them like someone here in good faith is civility fetishism. There are also already plenty of comments providing correction.
Come on, you can’t be surprised if people disagree with you if you try to “point out how much in common nazis have with communists, in a community dedicated to communism.”
This is a classic, healthy nazi bash post.
Can’t people nazi bash in peace anymore?
Everyone is still replying to your view of why and how things happened, instead of just ignoring the obvious rage-bait.
Your comment, the one I’m replying to, is akin to “aaw, stop crying. I was just pissing in the tea you were drinking.”
The USSR signed a non-aggression pact after trying to get the Western Powers to help protect Czechoslovakia. The Western Powers of course denied this, as they wanted the Nazis to kill the Soviets. The Soviets ended up killing 80% of the Nazis that died in WWII, the scale of the Eastern Front was many times larger than the Western. Moreover, Americans and other western powers were ordered to not attack western business assets in Nazi Germany. This is because the West had ties to the Nazis, while the Communists and Nazis hated each others guts.
The Red Army saved the world from fascism, and paid the price with tens of millions of lives. They are heroes.
Communists in the USSR weren’t that good either, don’t forget that too… Oh, and weren’t they also the ones that collaborated with the nazis from 1939 to 1941?
The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was not societ “collaboration” with the Nazis. It was a self-preserving, non-aggression treaty between a rising fascist empire hell-bent on destroying workers movements like communism as all fascists are and a young workers movement that had been besieged since it’s inception. It gave them the time they needed to industrialize and prepare for the inevitable war with the Germans which they sacrificed so much for. 80% of Nazis were killed by the red army and 27 million soviets died for it.
Calling that pact collaboration is incredibly direspectful to their history and reveals a severe lack of understanding in both politics and the material situation of those societies at the time.
Yup. I hate historical revisionism. The pact was strategic, not a tacit approval of Nazism.
Even if you view it from the German point of view, it was the same. Hitler didn’t suddenly like Communism for a short while. He had to build up his forces for invasion.
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Yeah territory definitely has no strategic value when you are preparing for war against your largest ideological enemy 💀
I never said it was great, just that you were severely misrepresenting it
Ahistorical both sidesing garbage. Read a book some time, TV pop culture and Reddut comments aren’t a substitute.
Don’t be a condescending prick, comrade.
They’re definitely misrepresenting the situation, like @ComradeSharkfucker explained, and I think it would be great if someone could make/share a FAQ so we wouldn’t have to keep typing this by hand. But telling people to read a book some time is the arrogant crap that alienates us from the people we need on our side. More people are reading this than the person you replied to.
They are here in bad faith and treating them like someone here in good faith is civility fetishism. There are also already plenty of comments providing correction.
Be direct and honest with people.
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It kind of takes learning reality to understand contextual differences.
It might sound lazy when people tell you to educate yourself but that’s what is required.
If you want to be spoonfed an education on history you should take a history class.
Stalin promised a million soviet soldiers to france and britain to stop hitler. They both refused, as they saw the soviets as their bigger enemy, the brits having used troops to stop the russian revolution less than 2 decades before.
https://imgur.com/cAMvQ1O
Playing devil’s advocate for Nazis and whataboutisms aren’t a good look.
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Come on, you can’t be surprised if people disagree with you if you try to “point out how much in common nazis have with communists, in a community dedicated to communism.”
This is a classic, healthy nazi bash post. Can’t people nazi bash in peace anymore?
Everyone is still replying to your view of why and how things happened, instead of just ignoring the obvious rage-bait.
Your comment, the one I’m replying to, is akin to “aaw, stop crying. I was just pissing in the tea you were drinking.”
“The army who fought genocidal fascists to the death are just as bad as the genocidal fascists themselves.”
You might as well full-send instead of half-assing it and proclaim that Nazis are the poor, innocent victims of unwarranted Communist aggression.
The USSR signed a non-aggression pact after trying to get the Western Powers to help protect Czechoslovakia. The Western Powers of course denied this, as they wanted the Nazis to kill the Soviets. The Soviets ended up killing 80% of the Nazis that died in WWII, the scale of the Eastern Front was many times larger than the Western. Moreover, Americans and other western powers were ordered to not attack western business assets in Nazi Germany. This is because the West had ties to the Nazis, while the Communists and Nazis hated each others guts.
The Red Army saved the world from fascism, and paid the price with tens of millions of lives. They are heroes.
did the ussr applied fordism to wholesale killing of human beings? no. next question.
Please frame your whataboutism properly with a “what about the” prefix.
Normilizing fascism through comparison instead of rejecting fascism is literally how the Nazis came to power
Good job parroting the propaganda like a good nazi dog
One day you might self reflect long enough to know how fucking dumb you sound defending literal Nazis
You can’t tell the truth here.
Sorry not sorry but this shit-hole community is just pig fuckers all the way down to the smelly core.