A 64-year-old woman from Chicago's western suburbs is facing hate crime charges and accused of assaulting a Palestinian-American couple in a video that went viral.
hmm. I wonder how many Trump voters you know vs how many Harris voters you know. Unless you’re an statistician, your comment is low quality and deserves downvotes.
This is the exact reason why she could not have come out as critical of Israel in any way. Something people here didn’t seem to understand. She would have lost far more votes than she would have gained from the anti-genocide voters that were far overrepresented on this site.
Get off the internet. You are extremely overestimating the support for Palestine among the average American voter. This place is not at all representative of the American public.
AIPAC would have ratfucked her and tanked her campaign had she come out strong against Israel.
Look at the shit Ilhan Omar had to put up with for daring to simply bringing up Israel’s financial interests in the US…
She even signaled a day or so before election day, to anyone paying attention, that she would be harder on Israel. At the last minute so as to not give AIPAC enough time to blow up her campaign.
Telling other people to get off the internet while making claims that are SO EASILY GOOGLED TO SEE THEY ARENT TRUE is such an insane take. Bruh, you need to shut the fuck up forever and stop spreading this idea that both parties had to be pro genocide and there was no other option. That attitude is not just idiotic, it’s literally killing people.
A majority of all Americans support a ceasefire. A majority supports conditional aid and a permanent ceasefire. It was the Harris campaign that made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of at least a net +6 points gain. Those votes were entirely up for grabs. That’s the fault of the campaign’s calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with having the most lethal Military and unwaivering support for Israel a year into this genocide. That single policy change would have secured her the swing states needed to win the election.
I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It’s still on the campaign to earn votes to win. If they took this election seriously, they would have been going after those votes.
If AIPAC is the concern, the best way to counteract that as a campaign would be to message about conditional military aid for a permanent ceasefire just before voting begins. That way AIPAC doesn’t have time to counter with attack ads. For context, it took AIPAC 25 million and 8 months to unseat 2 members of The Squad for being anti-genocide. Less people would hear about the pivot since it would have happened so late, but it’s still enough time to galvanize grassroots support and convince others to go out of their way to vote.
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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.
In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.
Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.
Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.
700k high propensity Democratic voters showed up during the primaries. (Which may have been undercounted). On average, general turnout is twice that of primary turnout. Which would reflect over 1,400,000 uncommitted votes in the general as an estimate that were completely up for grabs with a single popular policy change
Remember last time Trump was in power our feeds were full of Republicans behaving poorly in public? (in between the police beating protesters through most of 2020) - looks like we’re going to get that back again now.
their perception of how welcome their violence is intensified, too. the movement that killed Heather Heyer considers themselves ascendent. last time they had the electoral college and not the popular vote. this time, thanks to 10mil likely democrat voters who cculd swallow their pride for joe biden in 2020 but not for kamala harris in 2024, the very worst people on earth consider their view point to be the norm
Not that the popular vote matters in who wins, but it’s nice to know he didn’t get a true majority of all votes cast. 1.8% of votes were 3rd party, more than the difference between trump and Harris. If the amount of those votes that were “to teach the Dems a lesson” were added to the ones where POTUS was left blank to “teach the Dems a lesson”, well … anyway.
Thats more like reddit. Go take a look, its full of pro israel stuff. Some are even sympathetic to Netanyahu and compelete disregarded the civillians deaths in the pager attack in Lebanon and claimed it was some sort of genius strategy that had “minimal civillian deaths”.
Most people are not very much political or interested in politics in general.
Most people do however support actual leftist and progressive policies.
If any president just looked at polling and supported the implementation of policies that more than 60 percent of Americans support, or even only the issues with 70% approval (from both dems and republicans). That policians agenda would be a progressive, leftist agenda.
I actually agree with you. However, the right wing won, full stop unfortunately.
Arguing “no true leftist” or “Your side” is pointless. The Right won and no amount of semantics or told you so is going to change the results.
So when they start mass deporting or rounding up trans people we can just say “the dems didn’t run progressive enough policie for me” and wash our hands of it I guess.
Trump won every swing state. He lost my state and all of my states electoral college delegates are going to Harris. I could have voted for Mickey Mouse and this fact would not be different.
Other voters in swing states had real issues with the economy, crime, and less so the genocide in Israel.
Kamala unfortunately pivoted to the right and embraced republicans and corporate CEO’s. Why vote for republican light (Kamala) when you can just vote republican (Trump)? I assume this is what people were thinking.
I’m not sure those people exist. Lemmy seems to think they do but the electorate doesn’t reflect that at all and unless they’re ready to arm themselves and fight (and they’re not, as much as they like to talk about it online) they may as well not exist.
And yet there are more than enough that you expect the Democratic party to bend the knee to you?
I consider myself a progressive. The genocide in Palestine is a big problem for me, and I resent being lumped in with liberals simply because I understand politics and math enough to vote for Harris instead of aiding in Palestine’s destruction.
But I also understand that progressives are a small minority of voters in the US, and am not deluded enough to believe that Democrats will pander to me when it makes no tangible difference come election time.
It doesn’t matter how many people agree with progressive policies when you ask them, when they don’t fucking vote and aren’t doing anything whatsoever to organize and win elections down-ballot.
Where is the Green Party? They’ve already vanished, and we won’t see or hear anything from them for 4 years.
Why is it that progressives can’t seem to organize a real political party if there are so many of us?
Just wait until you see what Trump does for Palestine, boy are you in for a rude awakening. Congrats on sticking it to the democrats, I guess. Enjoy the next four years.
Wait a second. You would assume the person votes for Biden/Harris because they support Israel while trying to keep Israel under control. You don’t assume the person voted for the person who said he wants Israel to “finish the job” and enacted a Muslim travel ban?
Are you really that stupid? Or are you just trying to make a political point?
Damn why the downvotes? Its almost as if there was a concentrated Israeli effort to downvote facts about Israel? Can anyone tell me why I am ratioed so?
Gee, I wonder who she voted for…
Well, to be fair, not all Democratic voters are exactly sympathetic to Palestine… Some are kinda pro-Israel
But yea like 99% of the time its a Magat.
Yes but even unsympathetic Dems aren’t very likely to attack someone for their choice of sweatshirt
Nah, most of the Zionists I know voted for Harris
Edit: how is my personal experience being downvoted. Do you guys know what the Downvote button is for??
The downvote button on Lemmy is for saying something that doesn’t fit with the neoliberal narrative.
hmm. I wonder how many Trump voters you know vs how many Harris voters you know. Unless you’re an statistician, your comment is low quality and deserves downvotes.
This is the exact reason why she could not have come out as critical of Israel in any way. Something people here didn’t seem to understand. She would have lost far more votes than she would have gained from the anti-genocide voters that were far overrepresented on this site.
Wut? She should have called it a genocide. The majority of US Americans on both sides (left and right) want to stop sending them arms.
She chose the unpopular option that war and environment profiteers prefer, and she suffered the consequences.
Get off the internet. You are extremely overestimating the support for Palestine among the average American voter. This place is not at all representative of the American public.
AIPAC would have ratfucked her and tanked her campaign had she come out strong against Israel.
Look at the shit Ilhan Omar had to put up with for daring to simply bringing up Israel’s financial interests in the US…
She even signaled a day or so before election day, to anyone paying attention, that she would be harder on Israel. At the last minute so as to not give AIPAC enough time to blow up her campaign.
Not true. I think it was something like 55% of us Republicans that opposed sending more arms to Israel, and it was over 60% of Democrats.
The number is much higher for leftists, of course.
He doesn’t care. He’s all in on genocide and will make any excuse for it.
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Telling other people to get off the internet while making claims that are SO EASILY GOOGLED TO SEE THEY ARENT TRUE is such an insane take. Bruh, you need to shut the fuck up forever and stop spreading this idea that both parties had to be pro genocide and there was no other option. That attitude is not just idiotic, it’s literally killing people.
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A majority of all Americans support a ceasefire. A majority supports conditional aid and a permanent ceasefire. It was the Harris campaign that made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of at least a net +6 points gain. Those votes were entirely up for grabs. That’s the fault of the campaign’s calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with having the most lethal Military and unwaivering support for Israel a year into this genocide. That single policy change would have secured her the swing states needed to win the election.
I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It’s still on the campaign to earn votes to win. If they took this election seriously, they would have been going after those votes.
If AIPAC is the concern, the best way to counteract that as a campaign would be to message about conditional military aid for a permanent ceasefire just before voting begins. That way AIPAC doesn’t have time to counter with attack ads. For context, it took AIPAC 25 million and 8 months to unseat 2 members of The Squad for being anti-genocide. Less people would hear about the pivot since it would have happened so late, but it’s still enough time to galvanize grassroots support and convince others to go out of their way to vote.
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People might agree, but they don’t vote.
700k high propensity Democratic voters showed up during the primaries. (Which may have been undercounted). On average, general turnout is twice that of primary turnout. Which would reflect over 1,400,000 uncommitted votes in the general as an estimate that were completely up for grabs with a single popular policy change
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Remember last time Trump was in power our feeds were full of Republicans behaving poorly in public? (in between the police beating protesters through most of 2020) - looks like we’re going to get that back again now.
their perception of how welcome their violence is intensified, too. the movement that killed Heather Heyer considers themselves ascendent. last time they had the electoral college and not the popular vote. this time, thanks to 10mil likely democrat voters who cculd swallow their pride for joe biden in 2020 but not for kamala harris in 2024, the very worst people on earth consider their view point to be the norm
Not 10 million. As of today (all votes still not counted) trump leads the popular vote by 2,557,324. That’s 49.9% to 48.3%. Current vote count: https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS/zjpqnemxwvx/president/
Not that the popular vote matters in who wins, but it’s nice to know he didn’t get a true majority of all votes cast. 1.8% of votes were 3rd party, more than the difference between trump and Harris. If the amount of those votes that were “to teach the Dems a lesson” were added to the ones where POTUS was left blank to “teach the Dems a lesson”, well … anyway.
i’m not referringeto the vote delta between trump and harris, i’metalking about the vote delta between biden in 2020 and harris in 2024
Oh I see, that makes sense! Thanks
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It’ll be worse. Wait til he deputized his own brown shirts.
Seeing lemmy for the past year, it’s a fucking toss up.
Thats more like reddit. Go take a look, its full of pro israel stuff. Some are even sympathetic to Netanyahu and compelete disregarded the civillians deaths in the pager attack in Lebanon and claimed it was some sort of genius strategy that had “minimal civillian deaths”.
Yes. Centrists make lemmy more like reddit.
And leftists vastly overestimate their popularity and numbers.
Most people are not very much political or interested in politics in general.
Most people do however support actual leftist and progressive policies.
If any president just looked at polling and supported the implementation of policies that more than 60 percent of Americans support, or even only the issues with 70% approval (from both dems and republicans). That policians agenda would be a progressive, leftist agenda.
I actually agree with you. However, the right wing won, full stop unfortunately.
Arguing “no true leftist” or “Your side” is pointless. The Right won and no amount of semantics or told you so is going to change the results.
So when they start mass deporting or rounding up trans people we can just say “the dems didn’t run progressive enough policie for me” and wash our hands of it I guess.
Harris/Biden ran a dumb campaign. You cant only blame the voters for the loss. They didnt own those campaign decisions.
There’s plenty of blame to go around and the DNC bear the majority of it for sure.
Trump won every swing state. He lost my state and all of my states electoral college delegates are going to Harris. I could have voted for Mickey Mouse and this fact would not be different.
Other voters in swing states had real issues with the economy, crime, and less so the genocide in Israel.
Kamala unfortunately pivoted to the right and embraced republicans and corporate CEO’s. Why vote for republican light (Kamala) when you can just vote republican (Trump)? I assume this is what people were thinking.
In other words, they were lied to and bought it hook, line, and sinker.
I’m not sure those people exist. Lemmy seems to think they do but the electorate doesn’t reflect that at all and unless they’re ready to arm themselves and fight (and they’re not, as much as they like to talk about it online) they may as well not exist.
Your party just lost by listening to centrists.
“Your” party didn’t even show up, why would anyone listen to them?
Edit: hey at least a couple of you learned how to vote! Maybe try doing that irl and not just on the internet!
Progressives don’t have a party that even considers representing them.
And yet there are more than enough that you expect the Democratic party to bend the knee to you?
I consider myself a progressive. The genocide in Palestine is a big problem for me, and I resent being lumped in with liberals simply because I understand politics and math enough to vote for Harris instead of aiding in Palestine’s destruction.
But I also understand that progressives are a small minority of voters in the US, and am not deluded enough to believe that Democrats will pander to me when it makes no tangible difference come election time.
It doesn’t matter how many people agree with progressive policies when you ask them, when they don’t fucking vote and aren’t doing anything whatsoever to organize and win elections down-ballot.
Where is the Green Party? They’ve already vanished, and we won’t see or hear anything from them for 4 years.
Why is it that progressives can’t seem to organize a real political party if there are so many of us?
Touch grass
Progressives turned out to vote for the obviously less dangerous to America candidate.
Terminally online internet leftists sat at home in their basements and want feel like they’re revolutionaries.
Start a revolution champ, we’re all waiting.
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and who’ll rush to pay for her defense tooooooo what a patridiot lol
There’s just no way to know.
If I had to guess it would be the party that gave more aid to Israel than ever, the Biden/Harris party Source
Just wait until you see what Trump does for Palestine, boy are you in for a rude awakening. Congrats on sticking it to the democrats, I guess. Enjoy the next four years.
Wait a second. You would assume the person votes for Biden/Harris because they support Israel while trying to keep Israel under control. You don’t assume the person voted for the person who said he wants Israel to “finish the job” and enacted a Muslim travel ban?
Are you really that stupid? Or are you just trying to make a political point?
Damn why the downvotes? Its almost as if there was a concentrated Israeli effort to downvote facts about Israel? Can anyone tell me why I am ratioed so?
Probably because the point seems moot given that Trump and the Republicans intend to help Israel even more.
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I’ve tagged you as “thinks gop supports Palestine.” Hope you prove me wrong.
Lol who gives a shit about israel
Fuck Israel, Fuck Hamas
Next 4 years will have so many faces eaten by leopards.
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