No, that’s not the takeaway I got from your message. It’s the takeaway I get from a lifetime of growing up close to the source of my food. In an honest analysis, evidence after evidence shows the primary issue with food production is DEFINITELY locality. I have no problem living a carbon neutral life eating locally and balanced. And there’s plenty of farmable land around me being underutilized, not utilized, or exported. And I don’t live in a “megafarm state”.
As for meat being “overrepresented”, I agree with you with dozens of caveats. The problem is that meat is generally quite healthy so long as it’s not heavily processed, and while there may be an environmental impact to meat overrepresentation, there is less of a health one (possibly more of a health gain). How much it’s overrepresented is an especially hard problem because part of its overrepresentation comes from its sourcing. The well-balanced diet (health and ecologically) involves at least 2 meat/fish meals per day in my area, possibly 3 if you include dairy and eggs. In some other areas, that ecologically balanced diet might only be 1 meal of meat a day or less (though there may be no local way to find a nutritional balance in those areas).
But your soy point isn’t really correct
I think I’ll agree to disagree here. Nothing you said in your rebuttal really disputed my point effectively, and I don’t think you recognize that effectively enough for us to discuss it. Something I’d like to point out - soy flour really isn’t that healthy and there’s no reason to believe soy meal would be consumed by humans in larger amounts if it weren’t consumed by animals.
And to reiterate, I’m not saying to burn down all animal agriculture and make everyone everywhere vegan
I know that. I probably wouldn’t have replied to you (at least not as well-cited) if you were. Hardcore vegans that want everyone cutting out meat are brainwashed, and the only time I’ve seen them deconverted (rarely) was when they faced health issues due to also not actually spending the time and effort on nutrition required to attempt to sustain such a lifestyle.
No, that’s not the takeaway I got from your message. It’s the takeaway I get from a lifetime of growing up close to the source of my food. In an honest analysis, evidence after evidence shows the primary issue with food production is DEFINITELY locality. I have no problem living a carbon neutral life eating locally and balanced. And there’s plenty of farmable land around me being underutilized, not utilized, or exported. And I don’t live in a “megafarm state”.
As for meat being “overrepresented”, I agree with you with dozens of caveats. The problem is that meat is generally quite healthy so long as it’s not heavily processed, and while there may be an environmental impact to meat overrepresentation, there is less of a health one (possibly more of a health gain). How much it’s overrepresented is an especially hard problem because part of its overrepresentation comes from its sourcing. The well-balanced diet (health and ecologically) involves at least 2 meat/fish meals per day in my area, possibly 3 if you include dairy and eggs. In some other areas, that ecologically balanced diet might only be 1 meal of meat a day or less (though there may be no local way to find a nutritional balance in those areas).
I think I’ll agree to disagree here. Nothing you said in your rebuttal really disputed my point effectively, and I don’t think you recognize that effectively enough for us to discuss it. Something I’d like to point out - soy flour really isn’t that healthy and there’s no reason to believe soy meal would be consumed by humans in larger amounts if it weren’t consumed by animals.
I know that. I probably wouldn’t have replied to you (at least not as well-cited) if you were. Hardcore vegans that want everyone cutting out meat are brainwashed, and the only time I’ve seen them deconverted (rarely) was when they faced health issues due to also not actually spending the time and effort on nutrition required to attempt to sustain such a lifestyle.