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This is what Conservatives around the world want and glory hallelujah we are almost there! The only difference is all those rations will not come from the government but from corporations paid for by the government.
- 4 boxes Kraft Mac and Cheese
- 6 cans Heinz Beans
- Etc.
Now you know why people don’t smile in Poland.
Oh, she looks so happy!
12 packs of cigs seems like a huge luxury
For a month? It’s just dried shredded leaves wrapped in paper, cigarettes are super cheap to produce, tax makes them expensive.
You didn’t live in the eighties I bet. It was cheap back then and everyone smoked.
Can someone calculate the calories in that? I’m too lazy.
Maybe don’t include the sugar. That’s a shit ton of sugar to go through in month.
Ballpark estimate, excluding the sugar:
2.5kg beef: ~6265 Calories
0.5l vodka: ~1082 Calories
1.3kg white rice: ~4743 Calories
1.3kg flour: ~4732 Calories
500g butter: ~3585 Calories
300g cooking oil (Google says rapeseed oil is popular in Poland so I used that): ~2652 Calories
250g chocolate: ~1338 Calories
Total: 24,397 Calories or ~813 Calories per day
Some other people online also did the math and came up with similar numbers. For example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37027027 came up with 33,063 Calories (including the sugar)
You get another 333 calories from the sugar, add it to the vodka!
Nice, that was super fast. I guess it’s probably enough for one person to survive if they practically don’t move at all the entire month, for a little while at least.
Still not pleasant I imagine.
That’s what the cigarettes are for
They have almost as much sugar as starch, 2.5kg of meat, and no other protein?
If you still gained a salary from work and could buy the rest of what you need this really isn’t that bad
I don’t think you got this for free, it was probably just the maximum you could buy of any of these items in a month. That’s how war time rationing worked in the UK.
I’m not gonna say that’s anywhere near sufficient, but as a US citizen where do I sign up
Well if you really want to be restricted purchasing the maximum amount of those items then you don’t need to sign up. Just limit your monthly amount to be as displayed.
To be ration-limited by what you can purchase? I’m sure that’s a fad diet somewhere.
I might bring tankies out of the woodwork for saying this, but I remember one time a tankie told me that scarcity in communist countries is by design and it’s a good thing, after I pointed out that people had to be on the waiting list just to get a car. What if the person lives in rural with no access to public transport?
I understand capitalism is wasteful, but doing the extreme opposite and making people wait to own a car or giving someone bare essentials is not a good thing. Having a scarcity economy is not good, especially considering that the Soviet Union produced more tanks than cars throughout its history. The American military industrial complex is rightly criticised for overspending, but communist countries are worse since the case is that more tanks were made than civilian cars. It means more budget went to the military than to producing consumer good. Talk about priorities.
No, are you sure? /s
Don’t take what tankied say like they mean it, it’s just propaganda / they amuse themselves coming up with lies that you have to unravel and defeat. And if you do so, then magically the discussion is over and we’ll talk about some other thing.
Unpopular opinion: we need to ration electricity consumption as well as fuel today, even in capitalists countries. Because that stuff actually has incredible impact on the planet, and will (must) drive consumption down, so that companies / individuals start integrating “efficiency” into their thinking
I don’t see any other solution to the “exponentially growing power consumption” problem.
I don’t see any other solution to the “exponentially growing power consumption” problem.
In the U.S., at least, power generation has been roughly flat for the last 20 years, not growing exponentially:
That’s excluding our hard on for AI the last few years. Would love to see this updated.
I’m surprised by how much natural gas makes up the mix.
electricity is only a tiny fraction of energy use.
Power usage levels in the US, though, are insane compared to mother countries.
c/selfhosted has entered the chat
time to self-host a powerplant?
Power for the power god
I’m as anti-capitalist as it comes but how the hell would this even last half a week, let alone a night with the vodka, rice, and sweets
These are just the goods that are rationed/limited. These were the goods with the highest demand and lowest supply. There are unrationed goods that could still be purchased, like potatoes.
This makes so much more sense.
Didn’t know! I limited potatoes sounds good
The rice is about 6 us measuring cups worth, and 1 cup is enough for 2 people to have a meal after it soaks up a bunch of water (plus a bit little vodka and sugar for taste).
The Flour can make several loaves of bread as well, it’s about 5000 Calories for that bag without considering oil added for a nice focaccia or butter and milk for a classic brioche.
If each person gets this then it can
be sufficientlast a week or two, but I assume it was supplementary in nature.There’s no yeast included though. Are they also maintaining a sourdough starter with that ration? Also a brioche would probably use up quite a bit of their ration for the month and possibly last about a week. Lastly, who puts vodka in rice?
Ah right, Monthly lol I was thinking more like weekly or biweekly. Yeah, this isn’t enough.
Vodka: 10/10 with rice
Questions comrade?
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The vodka acts as a sort of Rice Vinegar replacement, I would stir it in after the rice has cooked since alcohol evaporates at lower temp.
One cup of uncooked rice does not make enough for me for dinner, I don’t know how you think two can dine on that.
Well, the typical serving size for uncooked rice is 1/2 cup. Or 1/4 cup if it’s a side dish. That’s typically what I make for my wife and I when we have rice. Perhaps you just like more than the average person does?
Fluffy rice is pretty filling, imo.
This thread is basically:
Scarcity in socialist countries 40 years ago: pearl clutching.
Scarcity in capitalist countries fucking now: yawn.
Bruh, you can buy more flour than that with change dropped in a fucking parking lot.
Half a liter of vodka monthly? Aren’t the Poles known for their consumption of vast quantities of the stuff?
Yeast is not on the list but the 2kg of sugar wasn’t just for cakes I’m sure.
What they were officially allowed to drink vs what they did drink.
ah 12 packs of cigarettes and a half a litre of vodka. a complete balanced breakfast.
Sure, but what will you eat for the rest of the month?
ah…
blin.
Only if Abe is into cheeki breeki hardbass.
Alright, where are the anti capitalist tankies defending this?
This has little to do with socialism/capitalism and more with that fact that the economy was centrally (terribly) governed and most of the products were exported to the “friend nation USSR”
75% of sugar output exported to the Sovs while the citizens of Poland ‘enjoyed’ sugar rationing.
75% of sugar output exported to moscow and leningrad, you think the people of anywhere outside the immediate vicinity of those two cities got to see any of it? Let alone anywhere east of the Urals?
Comunimsm is not that bad! It only has a 100% failure rate, but that’s the CIA/UFO/Soros fault!
Reminder you live in a country where you have to pay other people to deny you healthcare.
Nope, I have universal Healthcare, like 32 of the 33 advanced economies.
Plenty of countries with universal healthcare that are also capatalistic societies. I love communism, too but the other comment had a valid point.
Ussr never fully recovered after ww2 and had to engage in a very expensive arms race while attempting to rebuild. Imo saying that communism doesn’t work often forgets this fact.
I mean, they didn’t have to engage in an arms race, any more than either side had to go to space or the moon. They did so for the propaganda, and to make themselves look tough, the same as the US.
There goes the sweets! Now she’s even more annoyed!
You do realize that all nations ration as necessary right?
They are in the same place where pro-capitalist liberals are when people talk about food insecurity in today’s West, and let’s face it, the rest of the non-Western world.
Complaining about them when they aren’t here. See? They’re everywhere!
Wow, I see the sugar industry was as influential there as it was in America.
