I’m mainly interested in how clean it gets the dishes, and how reliable it is. I also don’t need or want any kind of internet-connected features.

  • BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org
    23·
    1 month ago

    I got a Bosch a year ago and love it. Super quiet, super clean. But my favorite feature is that it cracks the door open after running so that every has a chance to air dry. I run it at night and when I wake up everything is fury dry, even plastic containers.

  • jodawznev@sh.itjust.works
    221·
    1 month ago

    I got a Bosch last year, simple setup, no IoT bullshit, just works, quiet. For what it’s worth, the guy who installed it told me “I install new dishwashers and remove old ones in the process all the time. I’ve never had to remove a Bosch dishwasher”.

    • DominusOfMegadeus@sh.itjust.worksOP
      9·
      1 month ago

      I want to know the things this man seems to be an expert on and be an expert on them like him. I also feel like he would be fantastic at parties.

        • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.netEnglish
          4·
          1 month ago

          I really love how Technology Connections is just living his best life, being so iconically nerdy that he has masses of adoring fans, despite the topics he covers being so ostensibly dull. I remember scoffing when I first stumbled across him; I thought “a 40+ minute video on [boring stuff I didn’t care about] — who would watch that?”. I think I probably started watching it with the expectation that after a few moments my disdain would be validated, and I’d move on. As it happens, I was enchanted by the magic of “passionate nerd explains something in depth”.

          • CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world
            4·
            1 month ago

            Haha - yep, exactly! I started the first video like, “Meh, I’ll give it two minutes.” And ended like, “I need to watch ALL the things!”

  • blargh513@sh.itjust.works
    141·
    1 month ago

    Gonna make myself unpopular here. No to Bosch. Overpriced and overhyped. You pay a premium and get little in return. I installed my own and rather than just connecting the power to a standard electrical connection, you have to (or you have to pay someone) to wire in a proprietary electrical connection box. The dishwasher has a special cable that connects to their weird receptacle. No idea why, helps nothing, adds labor without benefit. Bosch dishwashers do not use heating coils to dry the dishes. They use the residual heat of the water to dry. My experience is that this is not very effective as well as slow. Some have a means to ventilate themselves (fans, mechanism to open door, etc). This helps, but adds complexity, failure points and is still slow. I gave up after my last (third one) Bosch would not clean nor dry properly after it was about four years old. Took it apart, cleaned crud out of pump and bottom end. Came to conclusion that the pump was no longer able to move water at a sufficient pressure to spray the dishes. Was more of a weak sprinkler effect. No idea why it would not dry. It never dried well from the beginning.
    I have since switched to a whirlpool (kitchen aid) with a heating coil. One year in being run 2x a day and no issues so far. Dishes are clean and dry. Bought a simpler model without nonsense like wifi, apps, lights, floor projection or anything else. I run one setting: auto.

    • DominusOfMegadeus@sh.itjust.worksOP
      6·
      1 month ago

      Is a great minority take and I appreciate it thank you. Honestly, I’ve been using my parents Bosch for the last 15 months and I have not been impressed. Granted they have no clue about cleaning out the filter, and even though I informed them, they don’t remember such things. And the dishes are often left wet. Also, no one is mentioning what models they have just brands, so it’s kinda hard to make a determination since I have to assume many different models have many different features, and the guy in the YouTube video I just watched said rather than just having a basket filter some of them have an actual macerating filter that can chop stuff up and that sounds pretty appealing, but I have no idea which models have that. So I’m gonna try and figure that one out.

    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
      2·
      1 month ago

      I do all my own maintenance\repairs of all my appliances, cars, electronics, etc. As well as helping out family, friends, and where I work. I’ve dealt with a lot of dishwashers and I agree with you. If you aren’t buying commercial, just get a whirlpool (or one of the rebranded whirlpools like Maytag, KitchenAid, JennAir, and Amana). GE is pretty good as well. I’ve had a GE for the past decade and I bought it used for $25.

      For most families, just get a simple one that plums in through the hot water side instead of cold and skips the water heating issue, and has a drying element, and is quiet. Noisy dishwashers are annoying.

  • mechoman444@lemmy.world
    12·
    1 month ago

    Very interesting arrangement of comments here.

    As an appliance repair man for the last 21 years I can tell you that the only dishwasher worth getting is a Bosch. Nothing else even comes close. All thier other appliances are terrible but their dishwashers are simply the absolute best in the industry.

    Having said that generally the state of appliances as a whole is pretty bad across the board which also includes Bosch dishwashers. The dishwashers they make today are worse than the ones they made 10, 15, 20 years ago. And people can tell.

    But the truth of the matter is they’re still better than the competition. Ask any tech what they’d rather work on… GE dishwasher or a Bosch. It’s not the GE.

      • mechoman444@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 month ago

        So. Some whirlpool models have a blade inside the pump motor that can help cut down food debris.

        The idea is that if one forgets to rinse off the dish before putting it in the dishwasher it’ll help move the debris along in the system.

        The issue is course is that dishes need to be rinsed of large and even small elements of food. For every dishwasher. Not just Bosch.

        Bottom line, if a manufacturer puts a blade into the pump that doesn’t mean you should stop rinsing your dishes off.

        But! Even though whirlpool has this option a whirlpool dishwasher is significantly worse than a Bosch in everyway.

        But to answer your question, yes. The very high end models of Bosch dishwashers will have a blade in the pump motor.

        I’d look into the 500 or 800 series. They probably have the blade.

        • RBWells@lemmy.world
          3·
          1 month ago

          Wipe dishes off, don’t rinse them well before putting them in a dishwasher. They will get cleaner if they go in dirty (modern dishwashers keep going until the water is clean), and it saves water because the dishwasher is more efficient than washing them in the sink. Then clean the filter in the dishwasher after you use it.

  • Tja@programming.dev
    9·
    1 month ago

    Maybe in the US bosch is considered premium, but in Germany is the standard (BSH group, including bosch, Siemens, neff, etc). Their dishwashers are fine, but hard to say if better than others. But their support is awesome, you still can get replacement parts 20 years down the line, and do the repair yourself because they provide decent manuals and there’s tons of YouTube videos.

    I like the IoT features, they’re so silent that it’s nice to get a notification when they are done, or start them when solar/cheap power is available.

    I’ve heard good things about Miele, but don’t have any experience first hand.

    • shadshack@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      1 month ago

      I had to scroll really far to find this, but my LG was so good I bought another when I moved. My wife thought all dishwashers just sucked until she saw how well the LGs can do.

    • Brkdncr@lemmy.world
      11·
      1 month ago

      Surprised with how good the LG dishwasher and clothes washer have been. Will buy more of their appliances.

    • Zenith@lemm.ee
      11·
      1 month ago

      Our LG washer/dryer are about 15 years old now, still working incredibly well and look new. Definitely worth looking into

  • ghost_towels@sh.itjust.works
    7·
    1 month ago

    I just went through this. I had an Asko for 13 years, was definitely happy enough with it to get another. So quiet! So when it did eventually die I was going to get another one but the prices have jumped quite a bit. The next best are Miele and Bosch, I ended up with a Bosch that was on a super sale. I’m pretty happy with it over all.

    The Asko as mentioned was very quiet, the one I had before it sounded like a freight train so that was important. Over the years the eco clean setting wasn’t as good (food left on)so we switched settings to the regular cycle and that was ok. About a year ago we kept intermittently getting an error which was from the water pump sensor so it wouldn’t finish the wash. My neighbour had the same one (the reason I got it in the first place) and her front panel had gone so she gave it to me for parts. I never did end up fixing it and we just limped along until about a month ago and I said fuck it and got a new one. One thing I really liked about it was the layout inside for my dishes. One thing I hated was the sharp metal around the outside front trim. When we went to install it, it gouged the wood cabinet.

    The Bosch is nice, almost as quiet and doesn’t use much water. The model we got is made in Germany too. I’m not such a fan of the layout inside but that’s probably because I’m just not used to it yet. It’s got the top utensil rack which I like. The next rack down you can adjust the height which I haven’t had a reason to use but I can see being handy over the holidays. Definitely loving having clean dishes again! It does have internet connectivity but as long as you don’t download the app it will never connect. I also didn’t want that but it’s hard to find one without now.

  • Sixty@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    7·
    1 month ago

    Get the base model of whatever the consensus on brand is generally. ALWAYS research though. They all wash dishes, usually the biggest problems people have with dishwashers is user error stuff. Like not knowing you need hot water at the sink first before starting the dishwasher. which pulls from hot water pipe, but the water in the pipe is not even warm yet by the time it stops calling for water if you just start it. Same with not adding dishwasher detergent to the pre wash cycle, adding too much detergent to the main cycle spring loaded container, not accounting for hard water streaking and failing to buy a streak/rinse aid, not cleaning the filters or door seals regularly, buying a shitty detergent and not trying others, etc.

  • HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    71·
    1 month ago

    If you can, try for one with a built-in water softener–that is, if your home has hard water. You’ll reload salt, as well as detergent.

    Speaking of detergent, Technology Connections reference.

    Buy powder detergent. Fill to the appropriate line. Save a crapton of money over time. Yes, I have autism, how could you tell?

  • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
    6·
    1 month ago

    I really like that my dishwasher has a window so I can peek inside while it’s working. Besides the coolness factor, it’s also useful to see whether any of the rotors are blocked from spinning or something tipped over.

    It’s not a deal breaker if you get one without a window, but it’s really nice to have.

  • PodPerson@lemmy.zipEnglish
    4·
    1 month ago

    Can also chime in on Bosch. Knock on wood, never any issues and no “talk to your dishes from your smartphone” IoT bullshit.

    • doc@fedia.io
      2·
      1 month ago

      They do have that now, though. The control panel is as cryptic as ever, with certain settings only possible though divination (or a series of unlabeled button presses, I forget which).

      But now some settings and wash modes are app-only. Still fully functional without an app, but frustrating I can’t use the thing to it’s fullest ability on it’s own.