Im hearing: The other political party needs to stop our party, its being crazy … this is why we did not vote for the other political party, so they can save us … or something.
I’m hearing “holy shit, how are those dipshits so ineffectual? Why dont they use any of their power when they’re the minority like mine does?”.
The answer is SCOTUS is compromised. They will favour GOP every time.
The republicans dont throw their hands up and go “well the SCOTUS/Parliamentarian/Manchin>might say no, so we cant do <x>”, they do it anyway. When Greg Abott wanted to drown children in the Rio, did the fear the SCOTUS might request he stop after the 50th child prevent him from drowning dozens of children?
When the parliamentarian told W’s cronies “no you cant just do infinite reconciliation bills to stop the dems from filibustering”, they just fired him, like they are talking about with the current one.
The republicans dont throw their hands up
Why would they? They’ve got Supreme court in their pocket since last 4 years.
Honestly, what do you want Democrats to do? They have no power. Not even popular vote which Hillary had.
The instances I am talking about, the republicans SCOTUS and parliamentarian and individuals breaking from the party were overcome, by doing the damage before the SCOTUS can stop you, or just ignoring the SCOTUS, firing the parliamentarian and department heads who play ball, etc. We know the minority party isnt powerless because we just saw the republicans get their way fir 4 years. We know that the executive doesnt need congress and can just ignore the SCOTUS because thats what we saw under Trump pt I and what we’re seeing now.
Letting Trump run the country into the ground is the best way to get rid of the MAGAzis.
Accelerationism has never proven to be an effective means of combatting conservatism.
No, because they’ll immediately vote conservative the next chance they get anyway.
No amount of suffering will cure the vast majority of these people. They will be licking the boot even as it crushes their skull in their final moments.
The billionaire disease remains, though.
Ooh! There was an episode of the Past, Present, Future podcast a couple of months ago that touched on this very subject. Tariff policy was set by congress up until the Smoot-Hawley act, which was considered such garbage that they decided that it should be left to the executive.
Back when it was a congressional power, it was also the source of some of the worst horse-trading, as representatives from rural areas would seek protection on agricultural imports (with low tariffs on imported machinery), while representatives from manufacturing areas would seek to lower food prices and increase the cost of imported manufactured goods.
Edit: Not saying that handing it to the executive is the best plan, as we can see by what’s going on now, but letting congress do it was also problematic. It’s funny how a lot of us grew up with the idea that no/low tariffs are the natural order, when it’s actually been a fairly short-lived anomaly in historical terms.
I’m not sure that tariffs being a constant back and forth in congress is a bad thing
Both conservatives and liberals don’t want people discussing how easily the Dems could put a stop to this, and that they’ve been covertly participating in all of it.
I’m neither but I’d love to hear how you believe Dems can put a stop to these tarrifs? It’s either A. Presidential power (which I don’t believe it is) or B. Congressional power (which is Republican majority)
By being obstructionist. Same playbook the GOP uses with ease, when the Dems are in power.
Simply not approving nominees and not voting ‘yes’ on Trump agenda items would go a long way, but the majority of elected Dems can’t even do that.
Given that the Dems just issued a thank you letter to ICE agents, in the middle of their domestic violence, tells you all you need to know.
Every Dem just voted no on that stupid Bill, did nothing because they are the minority in both houses.
It worked when the Republicans did so, because they were the majority in one of the houses and have been since 2009.
So for 15 years they have been able to block anything they wanted. And it was only for 2 months really in 2009. Before that was 1993.
A lot is/can happen right now because there will be at least 2 full years of the Republicans holding both parts of the legislature.
The Dems coordinate their votes. They unanimously vote no, when the Republicans can carry it on their own. When it’s a close vote, the Dems produce as many token turncoats as necessary.
The Dems have also held multiple majorities in that 15 year period.
I don’t think you’re stupid enough to not understand this. I think you’re a liar and a bad actor.
Your information is false and that’s why you think I’m lying. Show me 1 time that the Democrats held Congress and the Senate since 2009. If you win Congress and lose in the Senate it goes no where. I think you are completely failing at understanding how our government works or are as you said. A bad actor.
So you believe the republicans hold monopoly control of obstructist strategies? What prevents the Democrats from doing it? Why are Democrats continuing to approve Trump nominees? Why are any Democrats voting to fund Trump’s agenda? Why did democrats just release a thank you to ICE, as they build concentration camps?
No, I’m not saying they hold the monopoly on obstruction. Every Republican bitched for 4 years during Trump’s first term that Democrats blocked everything. (He didn’t have the Senate and Congress Majority from 2017-2021)
Democrats shouldn’t have approved trump nominees, but even if they voted against they would have been approved by the majority of Republican votes. The one notable flop that Democrats won was Matt Gaetz not getting in.
Also this thread was about Tarrifs, but like I said there are many really shitty Democrats politicians out there, it doesn’t mean they can block anything without getting Republicans to turn their votes against the party
Note that doesn’t mean there arent shit Democrats who vote for right wing ideals by the way, there are many
And how many of them do you think the party leadership primaried? How many of these do you think the party protected?
there are no easy methods to stop it. if it was easy they would have done it. the only options are to do very difficult things that end up getting you arrested (which, you know, a few democrats are doing and getting arrested for)
I’m sorry, but there was a court case about top secret documents in a bathroom that never went to trial in 4 fucking years. That would have stopped it.
If Bidens AG pushed that case with the urgency it deserved, we would not be in this shit show.
Every single one of Trumps immediate executive actions could have been tested by the Biden admin during his time to get the SC opinion on executive overreach before it was Trump doing the same.
Specifically, Biden, at any time, could have pushed the DOJ to make the toilet trial happen immediately. But instead, we have Trumps DOJ building concentration camps in 8 days and filling it with people who have no due process.
All it takes for evil to prevail is good men to stand by and do nothing.
This trail was 4 years of that.
It easily could have prevented all this. Instead it sat on a back burner and we were told it wasn’t worth watching as there was no way it would boil over.
You want to tell me that there’s no way the Dems could have looked at that pot in 4 years to prevent it from boiling over?
How about not taking years to look at it?
The Dems are either gullible or stupid for taking so long, neither of which is an excuse for letting that trial never happen considering the consequences would be the supercharged orange Shitler we now have as a leader.
They could have filibustered the Big Shitty Bill. -They refused to get rid of the filibuster the last time they had a chance, but the moment it could have really come in handy they act like it doesn’t exist. -That’s not incompetence. That’s Liberal voters getting played.
Voting ‘no’ on bills and nominees is very easy for them. They don’t do it.
How’d the GOP force the Democrats to send a ‘thank you’ to ICE for their current crackdown?
This is false.
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Republicans control all three branches of government. The Dems could vote no on everything and it’ll still pass without a few Republicans also voting no, which they have proven they won’t do.
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A lot of this bullshit is coming from executive orders that shouldn’t be allowed, but the Republican controlled supreme Court is hand waving that shit through. These COMPLETELY BYPASS CONGRESS.
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Literally ANY procedural rule the Dems could use to thwart them is a hand wave from some Republicans away from not existing.
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I dont like ice and I dont like the democrats who sent a thank you note.
Then stop repeating the lies they’re telling to pretend they can’t do anything about it.
would it help if I told you im not a democrat
So sick of conservatives breaking shit like children and then demanding liberals clean it up.
Too bad, unless we leave the country we will deal with it for the rest of our natural lives. Just that every cycle the average person comes out broker and broken
There’s no getting rid of them now and the coming generation being any clue, it’s only going to get worse over time
Imagine a world where disliking people like Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate publicly gets your family disappeared, because that’s where we’re heading despite a fucktonne of idiots coming after to say ‘nuh uh!’ like they always do.
Ultimately this a political stunt from both major political parties, MAGA in the US started tariffing Canada, and at that time essentially only effected American citizens, then Canada’s liberals done did the exact same thing in “retaliation” only effecting Canadians.
Both sides are to blame for this mockery.
So sick of conservatives breaking shit like children and then demanding liberals clean it up.
So sick of the stupids breaking shit like children and then demanding normal people clean it up.
Ok there Obama anger translator. lol
Yeah, no. My anger at Obama is that he didn’t convict anyone for the 2008 financial crisis and he killed the used car market. Don’t reason in advance of your data.
Guy, that was based on a Jordan and Peele skit.
not a single person they would have let be president would ever have made any meaningful convictions for the 2008 crisis, this is America we don’t punish rich people meaningfully anymore because that would be bad for the rich people
We’re beyond French Revolution levels of wealth disparity and literally one bad season away from a civil war and 99% of you are just memeing and calling people doomers
Our grandchildren, if we survvie to have them, will be taught this era of our history as a bloody lesson in letting sociopaths unfettered rule
And?
And a lot of innocent people are going to die uselessly
And you are going to feel pretty shitty about your blase attitude once the riots start
Pretty sure he’s doing tariffs specifically because they aren’t a tax. They aren’t collected by the IRS, they’re collected by Customs and Border Protection, which is a division of the Dept. of Homeland Security (just like ICE). And because the head of the DHS is such a loyal stooge, whatever god-king shitstain says goes
I thought tariffs went directly to Treasury.
I think it comes down to 2 parts, one being that tarrifs is what were used prior to income tax in the U.S., the time when “robber barrons” thrived and could grow their wealth easily. So the heritage foundation is trying to drive down income taxes and reintroduce tarrifs so they can legally make as much money as possible while not having that money they pull in pay for America’s well being. The second I believe is that the money starts in a separate pile, and ultimately goes to the treasury still, but previously since that “pile” had far less in it before it will look like the government is collecting a lot more money when directly comparing that pile to that pile over than last 50 years. So he can say he increased our revenue by bolognanumber% to show he is doing well, while ignoring that higher costs decreased purchases which in turn decrease states income from sales taxes. So states will make less, and be more dependent on the federal government. Which if the states don’t fall in line, the federal government can/will disperse funds unevenly to states who don’t lap the federal governments balls.
So it comes to a game of taking from the working class and states money/rights as much as possible to keep them fully dependent while growing insanely rich, but not pissed off enough to rebel, or if they do… not have enough resources to be able too.
Trump: *shoots America with tariffs*
MAGA: why didn’t the liberal minority in Congress stop this?
I understand that this is sarcasm.
But you just watched Democrats hand over their best leverage by opting not to shut down Donald’s government and voting with Republicans, so, they’re not entirely wrong. We don’t have legitimate opposition. We have a minority party performatively putting up a false pretense at opposition, sitting back, and watching their stock portfolios soar.
by opting not to shut down Donald’s government and voting with Republicans
What are you talking about? Are you talking about a specific bill? Which one? All Dems voted against the ‘huge hideous bill’ (budget bill). Dems don’t have the power/votes to ‘shut down Donald’s government’.
Can’t pass a regressive tax bill if the government shuts down.
Democrats aren’t powerless. They’re complicit. The BBB was only possible because they made it possible.
The government shutting down due to lacking a budget does not prevent Congress from meeting
Ok. You said “But you just watched”, so I thought you were talking about the most recent catastrophic legislation, which is why I asked which bill you were talking about. Schumer’s a cowardly piece of shit and could have used the only chance dems had or will have, because the other cowardly pieces of shit would have followed his lead and voted against it if he would have.
I also referenced a shutting down of the government, which to me, seems pretty clear.
“I keep punching myself in the face! Why is Joe biden not stopping me!?”
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Post Title: Trump announces 30% tariffs on Mexico, EU starting August 1st
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agk927 Moderate Conservative -189 points 17 hours ago
It’ll make us some money. I see no issue here
akbuilderthrowaway Heinlein 415 points 16 hours ago
… you do realize Americans pay the tax, right? This is a consumption tax on American for foreign goods. Other nations are not paying this tax. You are. This is a tax on Americans.
agk927 Moderate Conservative -280 points 16 hours ago
He wouldn’t do it if it hurt us. Keep listening to the misinformation. There’s 2 sides to every story
akbuilderthrowaway Heinlein 321 points 16 hours ago
Misinformation? Dude. Seriously. Open your fucking eyes. Importers aren’t going to eat 25+% taxes out of the goodness of their hearts. It’s going to get passed on to consumers.
I can call a spade a spade. Trump’s tariff policy is awful. You can’t, on one hand, spout out rhetoric about lowering taxes and then pull shit like this.
He wouldn’t do it if it hurt us
lol
i work for an importer. My family are all college educated. I still have to explain this to people who have business degrees who should know better. The single most important thing I do at work is make sure the taxes and tariffs are paid before the shipping container gets released from the ship.
I often think the world does not need more people with MBA’s.
Is there any substantial decline in the imports in the last 6 months?
Yea, I work in booze importing so we have been hit hard as many are giving up drinking (not criticizing that choice only stating a fact) and many others can no longer afford alcohol regularly.
not the same person but i work in TLSC - variously, yes, in general people are doing feast and famine to import when tariffs get paused, and don’t when they’re not
Is it possible that the will they won’t they tariff policy is actually increasing imports, since companies now have to hold more inventory to cover for it?
Not in the wine importing business I work at. We are seeing across the board reductions and changes in drinking habits
Depends, but generally what people do is “nearshoring” or “friendshoring” where they send things through a different country that has lower rates - i.e. if you can ship it directly from India but it costs too much on tarrifs, ship it from India to Mexico and drive it over the border to get a lower rate.
Self aware wolf
The convoluted hill these morons made for themselves has actually been really satisfying. I hate these people and it’s good to know that it’s nothing but a total fucking mess inside their dumb little heads
Even the MAGAs are frustrated with democrats doing NOTHING. Even they know this is bullshit!
What could they realistically do, when Trump controls all branches of government from Congress to the Supreme Court? It can be argued that they should have shut down his government in March, when they had the chance to reject the spending bill - but what can they do now?
What could they realistically do
How many times have they filibustered actual legislation or appointees since trump took office?
Four.
Four? That many? Got a source for that?
