Hi all,

I’m seeing a lot of hate for capitalism here, and I’m wondering why that is and what the rationale behind it is. I’m pretty pro-capitalism myself, so I want to see the logic on the other side of the fence.

If this isn’t the right forum for a political/economic discussion-- I’m happy to take this somewhere else.

Cheers!

  • lightstream@lemmy.mlEnglish
    614·
    1 year ago

    Capitalism requires coercion to function. The ‘incentive’ is goddamn starvation and being exposed to the raw elements with no shelter.

    You’re thinking of nature. It’s nature that does that.

    And it’s what we humans are fighting against, the natural order of things. Nature doesn’t care about the weak, it doesn’t care about justice. We’re in a battle to design and build systems that we can install on top of nature and which do provide those things. There is still much to be done, but over the course of human history we have accomplished a lot and we are in a better place today than we have ever been.

    The term capitalism has become a meme, conveying little meaning, just a word we can invoke to rally others in a brief cathartic moment of finger pointing and doom-saying. If it’s what you want to do then fine, go ahead and when you finish, wash your hands and clear your mind, then come back and help think of positive steps forward we can make as a society.

    • prole@beehaw.orgEnglish
      81·
      1 year ago

      …as long as those “positive steps forward” don’t involve redistributing wealth in a way to completely end those things you’re attributing to nature, amirite?

    • optissima@lemmy.worldEnglish
      33·
      1 year ago

      No you’re confused with communism, most of the time here in America it’s actually

      The term communism has become a meme, conveying little meaning, just a word we can invoke to rally others in a brief cathartic moment of finger pointing and doom-saying.

      Leftism is the positive step forward you’re trying to think of, you’ve just been boogeymaned by capitalism.

    • Scew@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      1 year ago

      I like your message. Have you considered that we are also nature?

      • two_wheel2@lemm.eeEnglish
        32·
        1 year ago

        We’re definitely a subset of it! And you could argue that any machinations therein are a part of nature, but then again I also think that if you have a computer running a simulation, while the computer is the substrate the simulation is run on, it’s also a bit separate. One way to think about it is that there isn’t really a “place” in the computer you can look and find the simulation. So too is our society. Nature (us) is its substrate, but you can’t really point to anywhere in nature with any kind of precision and say “ah, there is the society”.

        • Scew@lemmy.worldEnglish
          22·
          1 year ago

          Similarly, it’s fun to ask people to “point to their mind.” ^.^ I will say, with more abstract things I do like to take note of the concentrations. Particularly, it’s easy to find vortices of stupidity while driving or visiting a grocery store, at least around where I live. Lol