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  • Now that you’ve convinced me this might be the best course (I only see less problems than other distros would have)

    Sometimes, software, especially install scripts for something, are less common for Silverblue, but executing those is very risky anyway and I never felt the need for it.

    And, as I said, some things just work differently. But NixOS is one million times worse than that in that regard, so don’t worry about it. You shouldn’t have many issues.

    any recommended reading or key concepts I should look into? Any particular flavor(s) you’d point me to first?

    I don’t know. In my opinion, my post should cover most stuff concepts and differences.

    Don’t worry about it, you’ll use Flatpak anyway most of the time, and it updates itself automatically, so the package manager (rpm-ostree) doesn’t matter much for you.
    You can still use your prefered package manager (apt, dnf, etc.) in Distrobox.

    Other than that, just don’t worry and use your laptop for whatever you want to do.

    And about flavor choice, there are a few options:

    • Bazzite is mainly if you game a lot
    • Bluefin and Aurora are the same, just in Gnome or KDE. It’s basically Bazzite without gaming stuff
    • Secureblue, which features security hardening tweaks
    • Wayblue, which is with River, Wayland, and more
    • And of course all different DE-spins, e.g. Sway, Budgie, etc.

    Just go to the uBlue homepage and see for yourself what appeals to you :)


  • I don’t know what I should say tbh 😅
    For the start, you can read my post about image based distros: https://feddit.de/post/8234416

    Imo, Fedora Atomic is NixOS made easy. You can go to the uBlue-builder and modify a custom image if you’re a tinkerer.
    NixOS is down-to-top (local config file that defines your host), while uBlue is top-to-bottom (you modify an image, image gets built on GitHub and then shipped to you).
    This allows you to fork or create an existing “distro” without having to maintain a whole distro yourself.

    Other than that, especially uBlue is extremely user friendly imo.

    • It updates itself in the background, updates get staged and applied after you’ve shut down your PC in the evening.
    • You can rebase anytime you want to another flavor, e.g. I switched to KDE 6 from Gnome after it came out.
    • You have to use containers for everything (mostly Flatpak, but also Distrobox or Nix)
    • It’s ultra low maintenance and even more reliable, you can boot into an old image if a new update broke anything or made something buggy
    • For a casual user, not distinguishable from regular Fedora
    • And much more

    I love nothing else more.




  • they have done away with OS-tree? Because that would make this entirely based on FlatPaks and no other options, which is a huge block for me.

    I don’t understand exactly what you mean with that, but I think you are afraid of any restrictions.

    • uBlue (Bluefin, Bazzite, etc.) is still Fedora Atomic, just like Silverblue. It’s just that they take the OG image, rebuild it based on some instructions, and then redistribute it. It still has OSTree and all other stuff.
    • You aren’t set on Flatpak, but you definitely should use it on image based distros. Flatpaks are great and convenient, that’s why they’re getting more and more popular, also for devs. Because of that, the default (and only) way of installing apps via software center is Flatpak. If you don’t like that, you can still use Distrobox (e.g. with Pacman, DNF, etc.), Nix, Brew, or any other package manager you like, b but that’s more for CLI-users.
    • I mostly work graphically, but if I have to do some CLI stuff, then I enter my Arch-Distrobox. I never encountered any problems or restrictions there tbh
    • And you can still layer (install rpm packages on the host system) via rpm-ostree if you really need it, but it’s not recommended and only there for essential stuff. Use containers instead.

  • If you are like myself and use your PC mainly for gaming, and your laptop just for casual use (watching videos, writing notes, etc.), then you can also take a look at Bluefin (Gnome) or Aurora (KDE).

    It’s a “replacement” for the stock Fedora Silverblue/ Kinoite with QoL stuff and on the spectrum between Bazzite (“bloated”) and the uBlue base image (extremely lean, missing a few standard apps by default) and gives you the choice between “I’m a casual user” (-> only what you need) and the “developer edition”, which includes some IDEs and stuff.

    I like it a lot and think of it as “Bazzite, without gaming stuff”. Maybe you’ll like it too!


  • @[email protected]
    The difference with Fedora Atomic, which I think you refer to, is that it’s totally open. For example, people started using the OCI containers differently than Fedora intended, which resulted in uBlue and stuff like Bazzite.

    Also, no one forces you to use Flatpak. You can still use Distrobox and use Pacman/ APT/ DNF/ whatever you prefer and export your apps that way. It’s just that Flatpak “won” and doesn’t have many drawbacks, and is very convenient. I mostly like them.

    And, most importantly, Fedora is the fronteer of innovation.
    There were many projects and ideas that failed, but many more succedded (Wayland, image based distros, etc.), and Project Atomic is just one more “testing ground” that is well thought out imo. Therefore people are expecting to “test out” new generation Linux stuff, it’s just part of Fedora. If you don’t like that, use Debian instead.

    I can recommend you to give Fedora Atomic a chance, it’s an extremely nice family of distros (e.g. Bluefin/ Aurora, Bazzite, etc.)!

    Edit: one more thing is that Fedora is, in contrast to Ubuntu, not controlled by a company. RedHat doesn’t have nearly as much influence as people think, it’s mainly community driven, and therefore choices aren’t (in theory) influenced by $$$



  • Guenther_Amanita@feddit.detoLinux@lemmy.mlBazzite 3.0 has been released!
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    It won’t transform the old device into a gaming beast, but if you do some lighter gaming with it, why not just try it? :)
    If you don’t like it or want something more vanilla/ general purpose, you can always rebase to other Fedora Atomic variants, e.g. Silverblue, Kinoite, uBlue community images (Secureblue, Deepin, etc.) anytime you want! This changes the “flavor” (basically like switching from Linux Mint to Kubuntu by reinstall) without loosing any data or settings with one command. It’s so fucking great!



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    That would be very very hard and unreliable.

    Bazzite is more than just “preinstalled Steam”, it has a list of tweaks, optimizations and additions so long you can’t even finish reading it all! 😅
    This includes a different kernel, pre-configured containers, and much more.
    If you do that on a regular system, configuration drift would quickly destroy any good experience in no time and result in a huge mess.

    uBlue provides a solid base distribution (pretty much stock Fedora) and applies exactly your way, but in upstream, and then copies that new image to millions of PCs. By doing that, you can provide many many identical copies that are the same everywhere and always up to date, without the burden of maintaining a whole distro like on Nobara.
    The hard and boring work of maintaining a distro is on the shoulders of the Fedora team, and you only have to maintain your own changes.

    This seems something with too big of an attack surface.

    Not really.

    • Most stuff is installed in containers
    • The pros of image based distros still apply here in terms of reliability, security, etc.
    • Its no more than a few hours away from upstream stock Fedora
    • Most apps (Lutris, OBS, etc.) are optional and opt-in, if you just click “next, next, next” in the installer you’ll get a relatively vanilla experience compared to stock Fedora

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    It’s basically Nobara, but properly done. (If you choose the desktop version)

    It gets updates automatically (max one day after upstream Fedora), has everything you want ootb in the first start wizard, is more secure, and much more.

    I was very sceptical at first, but after trying it out, I really noticed some minor performance improvements in games and many QoL improvements, e.g. the preinstalled LACT, which allows me to set up fan curves and over-/ underclock my GPU.

    Setting up my new PC took me about half an hour maximum.

    9/10, I highly recommend it to anyone who wants a smooth gaming experience.



  • Ich habe echt allergrößten Respekt vor den Admins.
    Klar, ich bin schon etwas genervt, dass die Seite nicht nur unzuverlässig funktioniert, aber ich versuche mir immer wieder ins Gedächtnis zu rufen, dass das alles in deren Freizeit und aus deren eigenen Geldbeutel passiert, daher kann und will ich ihnen nicht böse sein und auch nicht so viel meckern.

    Ich würde mir irgendwie wünschen und vorschlagen, dass die Admins einen Verein aufmachen und Feddit.de dann als Verein, nicht Einzelperson, anbieten.
    Damit könnten wir sie finanziell und mit sonstigen Ressourcen (mehr Manpower, ggfs. irgendwann mal Kosten für Anwalt, Kommunikationsstellen, etc.) unterstützen.

    So, wie es momentan läuft, mach ich das aber leider nicht mehr mit. Ich sehe, dank der mangelnden Kommunikation, leider keinen wirklichen Fortschritt in der jetzigen Situation und habe Schiss, dass mein Content, in den ich echt viel Zeit gesteckt habe, irgendwann mal komplett gelöscht wird, und das wäre unverzeihlich.

    Deswegen werde ich vorerst, wie sehr viele andere User hier auch, auswandern. Sorry…




  • I used the “normal” Fedora (Workstation and KDE spin) for years and now moved to the Atomic variants.

    Especially uBlue is fucking great, as it is just the default Fedora Atomic with some tweaks and QoL-changes. It basically “just works” ootb and maintains itself.
    You can take a look at Bazzite if you’re into gaming for example.

    It’s also very customisable, but you have to learn a different approach.

    I personally would give it a chance if I were you, but beware, you have to learn a new workflow

    • You don’t install software to the host directly, but with containers, e.g. Distrobox or Flatpak
    • You can still install packages directly if really needed (e.g. drivers), but it is largely not recommended
    • It’s pretty much unbreakable
    • And much more.

    See my post about it for more information: https://feddit.de/post/8234416

    I personally strongly prefer Atomic to the mutable version, but that’s my taste. If you prefer the traditional variant, then go for it. In that case, you don’t need to know anything particular, it’s nothing special :)


  • I sadly can’t give you any input or help, but I really appreciate your idea and, coincidentally, thought about the exact same thing today 😁

    I think a more stable (slower release) variant of Fedora Atomic would be absolutely great for people who don’t like change as much as current Fedora users.

    A more conservative variant would be great, especially for companies.
    The combination of a stable system (in terms of update frequency and changes) with the unbreakability and deployability would be a huge win.

    Imagine being the admin of a small company, class or department and just creating your own uBlue-image with all software your team needs and rebase a dozen PCs to that image. Would be awesome!

    I think, currently, Fedora is sometimes too experimental and leading edge, which might be a problem for some people, especially in the business world. Having a more stable variant would be great.