chicory [he/him]

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Cake day: November 4th, 2023

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  • I wound up finishing the book this morning, I found this book to be hard to put down once I got rolling. I haven’t read Jakarta Method yet but I will have to check it out.

    I think the other thing here – this whole time, the right wing MBL has been organizing, simmering, and keeping the energy going, and use the protests that had started as left-wing to enact their right-wing impeachment agenda. I think this really shows how protest isn’t just a “left-wing” or even “populist” thing - and perhaps we need to valorize it less?

    I agree, I have been thinking about the Tea Party and then the COVID pandemic “lockdown” as right wing protests. I think we should be value-neutral about protests because they aren’t always for a good cause, however we could also say that these two examples aren’t legitimate protests either. I have been trying to come up with an objective line between a spontaneous protest like Bevins examines, and astroturfed media campaigns like these two examples. On one hand, given the role of mass media in amplifying protest movements, all mass movements rely on external support. On the other hand, despite the media attention the tea party and COVID protests didn’t broaden outside the chud community. I think once again we are back to looking at outcomes since even organic movements can be coopted.

    I do like reading this in 2024, as Trump is coming for America again. It’s funny, since you’d think at this point more could be done in opposition, but there’s a steady crawl towards a Marxian “first as tragedy, then as farce” sense of this year.

    Looking back to chapter 15, the US and Brazil are both in kind of a bizarro-world parallel:

    • the US is straight up replaying 2016, I don’t see how Trump loses this election
    • both US and Brazil are prosecuting Trump/Bolsonaro for failed coups. The US seems ineffective…maybe Brazil will actually do something about it.
    • the only missing piece here seems to be a bus fare increase in Brazil to fully restart the cycle

  • One of the points Bevins makes is that sometimes protests are successful in generating a change, but the spontaneous protest movement itself is not capable of capitalizing on it. Those groups that are organized already when the change / power vacuum is created are able to fill the gap. So in the conclusion he sort of makes the case that if you don’t have an organized party that is capable of negotiating/representing the protest movement it might be better to spend your time organizing so you are ready for the next step. Otherwise your effort can be coopted, sort of like you’re saying.

    If you’re interested, I recommend checking out the book. I think it’s well written and the style of interviewing participants from various 2010-2020 protests is very approachable.