Proton does have open-source bridges/proxies, so they aren’t hiding these details from us

The issue I talked about was not privacy-wise. It just suck to have to use a package that is not in debian repository just to receive commercial emails. Updates are a pain. And it is the kind of software that people should keep up-to-date.

Proton emails are stored in an encrypted form that goes beyond the simple authentication that is part of the POP/IMAP specifications

Ok, let’s talk about privacy. Email will never be secure because it was not designed to be and there are too many issues.

The subject line and other metadata are not encrypted. (from protonmail website). Most of the people use email to register to accounts and for commercial communications, where all valuables informations are in the object of the email.

There are more private way to communicate with people (like xmpp or matrix for example)

We kill people based on metadata. Well metadata encryption are pretty important.

So giving up convenience for 0 security sucks.

Perhaps Thunderbird could be enhanced to support the Proton features directly?

It would be great if there were an add-on for it. If someone knows how to develop it, please do it, it would improve UX a lot.

But it does not solve the issue completely. On mobile, the issue is still there (I know they have an app but I would prefer to have all my email at the same place). Also, if I want to use nextcloud mail, you have to developp an addon for nextcloud now.

Edit: changed the link for the alternative piped link suggested.

Why is palantir bad ? Do you have some sources ?

No.

Their email service is bad. Why do I need a proton software to use thunderbird ? Why don’t you use open standards for email ?

Lol no. Are you going to audit all the code you use ? You need to trust some organizations to make the audit. You NEED to trust some entities

You’re right. I will stop recommending other instances

Well, reddit liberals will be better over there, wouldn’t they ?

I prefer lemmy.ml to stay a leftist instance

tolerates xenophobia

I didn’t know this :(

This is not your space;

Wtf ? Keep it cool man. I joined like one year ago, when it was still labeled as a leftist instance. So I’m okay with it being leftist

A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers

However, it is not labeled as such in the sidebar anymore. So, I thought it was going to become a more generalist instance. If not, we should recommend beehaw.org

Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here.

Also, it is against rule 2 to be that exclusive.

Yeah, support to Russia makes no sense to me. And comparing NATO expansion with Russian try to expand with the war in Ukraine is a really bad take imo

China while with more communist dressing is also a capitalist hellscape

Well, they did a pretty good job at developing their country and capitalists have way less power than in the US or Europe for example.

If you compare it to India, the difference is flagrant. In 1990, they had a similar GDP per capita ppp (source). Now it is 3 times higher. They also take serious actions against poverty according to world bank (source)

However, the ban are clearly excessive. People should be allowed to denounce what happen in Xinjiang and Tibet

Don’t want to be that guy but… Historically, lemmy.ml was a leftist place (like radical left). The first surge of user was when a pro-CPC subreddit was banned. They created an instance that was the biggest for some time if I recall correctly (for the curious).

Now, when I joined, I was somewhat taken aback by the sheer amount of propaganda on Lemmy in general, and the somewhat belligerent attitude of some users.

With the new users it should change to be more centrist and we should see less and less this kind of post as they will get downvoted

A worldnews sublemmy on another server such as lemmy.one can be the place where anti-CCP and anti-Russia attitudes are not considered harmful, possibly encouraged at lemmy.one admins and mods’ discretion.

I think that beehaw’s news community is the place to do so

I did not state that the situation was fair in Iraq. In fact, I condemn the American invasions. So, I also condemn Russian invasion for the very same reasons.

To come back on the false allegation of Putin that there is a genocide.

And genocide often happens during wartime, so the fact that there was a civil war does not preclude a genocide at all.

I totally agree with you. However, this is not a genocide for two reasons: there is no will to destroy Ethnic Russians of Ukraine and 99.9% of the Ethnic Russians of Donetsk and Luhansk survived this so-called genocide.

I suppose your figures are true, which means 14.000 civilians of Ethnic Russians were killed by the Ukrainian regime. There are more than 6 millions people living living in Donetsk and Luhansk, around 40% are Russians. It means 0.1% of them were killed. To compare, between 60 and 75% of Armenian were killed during the genocide in the first world war, depending of estimations.

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people, usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide)

Don’t get me wrong: It is a tragedy but it is no genocide.

This war will kill thousands of Ukrainians and Russians for no justifiable reason. Trying to justify it because “NATO imperialism” is just nationalism. I don’t think leftists should accept and repeat such propaganda.

There is clearly no genocide.

From Putin himself:

“[The Donbass residents], who did not agree with the [2014] coup [in Kiev], were immediately hit with punitive military operations. A blockade was immediately put in place against these people. They were subjected to systematic shelling, air strikes. This is what is called ‘genocide’”.

https://sputniknews.com/20220318/putin-main-goal-of-russian-operation-in-ukraine-is-to-set-donbass-free-from-genocide-1093987300.html

This is a civil war, not a genocide. By the way, preventing a genocide is a legitimate reason to ask for an intervention of UN. This is not the path they chose.

On chemical weapons, it is clear today that they “do not exist” but at the time, they were “proof” from the CIA and the Italian secret service that they existed. They were all fake, however, they were several proofs. It was word against word. French for example said chemical weapons existed but there were no production and Iraq agreed to cooperate for their destruction so they were against war. In the end, some old and mostly unusable chemical weapons were found in Iraq. I think we agree on this issue, I just wanted to bring nuance on what you wrote.

They profit way more from Ukraine as a puppet state than as an allied of Europe.

Imperialism is not just a question of money.

You assume that Putin anticipated sanctions. He clearly anticipated some of them but not that much. He also thought that way more Ukrainian would support the invasion (like in Crimea) and that the Ukrainian army would be less prepared and so on. But it is a whole other debate.

They annexed Crimea in 2014. Do you really think that the annexion of a region from a sovereign state is not a clear sign of imperialism ? Furthermore, I find it much easier to believe that Putin wants to submits Ukraine to Russia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians).

And who else was going to destroy chemical weapon in Iraq? Diplomacy certainly failed, so the USA had no other option left. /s

Russia and the USA are imperialist states that do care about people only when it is also in their interest.

Yeah, but it is good to keep in mind that it also works the other way around: “People who condemn the USA for invading Afghanistan and Iraq are hypocrites unless they also condemn Russia for invading Ukraine.”

What informations were released by China ? From the link:

• US spent $200m in 26 labs
• Russia says there are 30+
• WHO asks destruction of it
• China asks questions

It feels like they didn’t share new intels