I am far from equating. Liberation of Ukrainian people must culminate in the destruction of the Ukrainian state, be it western- or Russian-backed, as is the case for all other peoples and states.

On the other hand, destruction of only Ukraine serves only their imperialist oppressor - Russia.

It’s so funny when a liberal crying about “western values” is lecturing me on what constitutes idiocy.

I agree. Ukraine shouldn’t do this.

The OP’s insinuation, however was not :

Ukraine is doing bad, it should do good

But:

Ukraine is doing bad, it doesn’t deserve support

When you go this route, you side with the oppressor.

What is this liberal handwringing? The justness of of fighting off an imperialist invasion doesn’t come from adhering to some vague notions of “western values”, but from not wanting to be subjected to that violence.

If you truly believe what you insinuate, your support for Palestine is conditional at best, irrational or deceitful at worst. If you don’t believe that - then stop being an agitator.

Jokes on you, I’m not from America. I’m one of those people who will suffer from its fall to fascism, living on the imperial periphery.

You are literally saying “let fascism come, I’m ready”.

Not everyone is. Your personal fight means nothing against the most powerful state in the world. You need a popular movement to just have a chance. Otherwise it’s just part suicidal doomerism part larp.

Fascists do care about winning, that is why they pump so much money into being elected, as elections are one of the most frictionless paths to power. That’s why they change the rules to make themselves more likely to be elected. That’s why they try to disenfranchise people who would vote against them. A coup is a risky thing, which is why they take all paths to power which are available.

You fight the cancer with everything you have or you die.

The problem is, you don’t have much. There isn’t a robust labor movement in the US which could provide a front against fascism. Any small scale or individual struggle might help you personally and save lives, but it’s not gonna stop the bus. At most it’s gonna pull some of the people from it before it drives of the cliff.

If you want to fight the guys who’re about to hijack the bus, you need time. As much time as possible to amass the response. Voting for shit burgers is just what gives you that sliver of it. This is the thing you keep doing to be able to keep going, not the saving grace.

I heard that V was a representation of an open palm with 5 fingers. And X is two palms

It’s tasty

I think you’re unintentionally reading/framing this in the condescending key. The way you rephrased it it does sound condescending, but in the screenshot it’s mostly just silly and caring. You might be too on guard here

There was actually a 19th century guy who noticed this and made up a hypothesis that the reason we see so many signs of long-term natural development of Earth’s features (canyons, mountains, etc.) is because God intentionally put fake evidence there, like he did with Adam and Eve’s belly buttons. I think he named his book Omphalos, which means navel in Ancient Greek.

Hi pal, I’ve stumbled into this really cool trans girl here https://hexbear.net/u/Catradora_Stalinism

She seems to be really into Stalinism. You have no relation to her in any way, do ya?

Otherwise that would mean you were lying to all the people here about who you are and what your beliefs are

Have a nice day!

To all taking this person seriously, she seems to be an alt of https://hexbear.net/u/Catradora_Stalinism, a hexbear/lemmygrad user

Begone, troll

Loving to see tankies come out of the woodwork to seethe and troll at this

There’s no equating, I specified which things I have issues with. You’ve been deflecting from those things by bringing up Holocaust, which is a tactic used by fascists. Also saying that there are prominent fascists who call themselves tankies or communists is not related to Holocaust in any way. The only way you can link it is by malicious use of the aforementioned tactic.

defense of ethnic cleansing

When I bring up ethnic cleansings done by USSR and the first thing you do is deflecting by lying that I said they were equal to Holocaust, this is defense of ethnic cleansing. When called out on that, you continued to do so, so I can’t write it off as you being unaware of what you were doing. The moment you called me out on the thing you thought I was doing, I corrected you. When you got called out, you just ignored it and kept doing the same thing.

Russia is just a […] democracy

Thank you for verifying you don’t know shit. Trivializing fascism we go.

You need to open a history book specialized in how fascist systems exist and operate.

Generally it’s a bad idea to hinge the whole question of whether a country is fascist on a single esoteric economic factor. Which part are you talking about: the slave labor? the war economy? You’re a bit word salad-y there.

What “tankie community” lol?

The one which decided to come out on me with your fascist deflections. Or the same which keep calling Ukrainians Nazis, following the same propaganda tactic used in the War on Terror. The same from which fascists like Haz, Maupin, and Hinkle sprouted and got popular in. Or the same which tried to do whataboutism when I brought up Russian genocidal policies on trans people around a month ago. Those which pretend that created via a Nazi coup DNR is actually an embattled Russian minority defending itself and not a blatant puppet-state. The one that tried to justify Russian invasion to me countless of times, the one that parroted Russian narratives on Bucha. What I’m doing here is basically describing my every second interaction with tankies to you.

Obviously there’s not a single community, but there are large nodes, and even if there were none, this wouldn’t mean the patterns of behavior can’t be criticized.

Is double genocide theory in the room with us now? Why do you keep bringing this irrelevant shit up? How do some fucks equivocating USSR and Nazi Germany relate to the repackaged Russian fascist propaganda I see coming daily from the tankie community? How does it justify the defense of ethnic cleansing you’ve engaged in this conversation? A whole bunch of people sharing community with you came out of woodwork to lie about me the moment I mention the really bad fucking things I see daily among people like you. You all lie, you reframe my words into something entirely different, you keep bringing stuff from time periods completely unrelated to the fucked up shit I see in front of me. My original message had nothing to do with neither USSR nor Nazi Germany, it’s you who decided to push the conversation towards “successful communists” and the DGT. I see the same fascist tactics of deflection as I’d see from Nazis or Israel apartheid supporters. “Oh, you’ve criticized our fascist behavior? But we’ve suffered greatly from Nazis, so it’s you who’s the real fascist actually”. Your offense should be directed towards yourself internalizing fascist tactics and not me calling you out on them.

Blocked

This is literally the gaslighter tactic. The moment you call out the behavior you’re framed as the unstable one. I think I’ve made it clear that you’re either wrong about the meaning of my words or you’re actively lying about them, which I think is the most probable here as you keep being a POS about all of this. If you think there is a literal one-to-one correlation between the article and my words, you could’ve shown it to me hours ago. You didn’t. I did read the article, it’s not there. You keep pushing your bullshit without elaborating, so yeah, you’re a troll.

One last try before I block you and go with my day, this is not productive at all.

Okay so not letting myself being gaslit by bad faith actors is digging my heels in I got it. Fuck off troll

Fuck off you gaslighting fascist pig, losing ancestors to Holocaust doesn’t prevent you from being a fascist POS which you proved enough to me already. I have zero respect for you as you keep lying about my words without a pause and kept deflecting criticisms of fascist behavior and ethnic cleansings by deceptively framing my position as something it is not. Which is the same egregious thing fascist supporters of Israeli apartheid are known for. Fuck off and go deport Kalmyks or whatever your favourite hobby is