quarrk [he/him]

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Cake day: May 30th, 2022

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  • Marx talking about capitalist and abstinence reminded me of one idiom, to make money you got to make money. Except it leaves out like the whole, exploitation of buying another person labor power and then taking their unpaid portion and etc. But that idiom in a way feels like a modern day version of like that “abstinence” from the capitalist? Don’t spend money for yourself or anything, use to reproduce and accumulate more money.

    It’s objectively true that you need money (capital) to become wealthy in capitalist society. Capital grows exponentially, through exploitation of an increasing amount of others’ labor, instead of linearly through one’s personal labor. So I don’t find anything wrong with the idiom as such, since it is true within certain bounds.

    On the other hand, the notion that abstinence is the reason money grows is completely false. This false justification is due to the fetish character of commodities and the various forms which result from fetishism. For example in chapter 19, the wage form is shown to produce an inverted consciousness of the wage relation, such that it appears that the capitalist and the laborer transact living labor, not labor-power.



  • I’m a casual philosophy learner, but afaik Hegel was significantly influenced by Spinoza especially regarding the topic of negation. Here’s a paper by Yitzhak Y. Melamed on Spinoza’s famous line et determinatio negatio est and its relation to the systems of Kant and Hegel. Again, I’m a casual learner myself, but I found it to be accessible. If there are any philosophers here then I’d be interested to hear more on this.

    Spinoza’s view is that an object is not determined (defined) by what it is in the positive sense, but by what it is not or negates. This idea underlies the truism that there is no light without dark and vice versa. Spinoza was trying to answer the question, why does the world present itself as a collection of innumerable and heterogeneous objects? What causes this differentiation? If this mechanism can be understood, then we might be able to work in reverse to discover a single underlying essence or idea for everything. I believe Spinoza understood this single thing to be God; and so did Hegel, in his own way.

    As Melamed writes, “while Hegel does credit Spinoza with the discovery of this most fundamental insight, he believes Spinoza failed to appreciate the importance of his discovery.”

    I believe Marx writes somewhere (perhaps in German Ideology or Grundrisse?) that the historical origin of human contemplation (consciousness) lies in the recognition of the self, distinct from everything else or other, as opposed to an unconscious perception of the world as one undifferentiated whole.

    This discussion might give some new insight into Marx’s afterword to the second German edition of Capital vol 1:

    Afterword

    My dialectic method is not only different from the Hegelian, but is its direct opposite. To Hegel, the life-process of the human brain, i.e., the process of thinking, which, under the name of “the Idea,” he even transforms into an independent subject, is the demiurgos of the real world, and the real world is only the external, phenomenal form of “the Idea.” With me, on the contrary, the ideal is nothing else than the material world reflected by the human mind, and translated into forms of thought.

    The mystifying side of Hegelian dialectic I criticised nearly thirty years ago, at a time when it was still the fashion. But just as I was working at the first volume of “Das Kapital,” it was the good pleasure of the peevish, arrogant, mediocre ‘Epigonoi who now talk large in cultured Germany, to treat Hegel in same way as the brave Moses Mendelssohn in Lessing’s time treated Spinoza, i.e., as a “dead dog.” I therefore openly avowed myself the pupil of that mighty thinker, and even here and there, in the chapter on the theory of value, coquetted with the modes of expression peculiar to him. The mystification which dialectic suffers in Hegel’s hands, by no means prevents him from being the first to present its general form of working in a comprehensive and conscious manner. With him it is standing on its head. It must be turned right side up again, if you would discover the rational kernel within the mystical shell.

    Hegel’s system recognized and placed principal importance on negation. Marx accepted the way in which Hegel’s system works, but he rejected the object to which Hegel applied his system. Instead of investigating the determination of concepts, Marx investigated the determination of material things and processes, e.g. capital. The task in Capital is to understand how the manifold forms of capitalist society (value, price, profit, surplus value, etc) are determined.



  • racist bullshit about Nordic societies being more civilised and hard-working and intelligent than others

    When Bernie ran, remember how everyone said Nordic-style socialism only works in the Nordics because they lack diversity?? Like what was the implication there? It didn’t make sense to me but this notion was very common.

    I can’t understand it any other way than: social democracy cannot work in the US because a racist social hierarchy is natural; so, if there is only one race, then there can be no hierarchy. (Which isn’t even the case in any of the Nordics, but try explaining that to an American lol)


  • Well I don’t mean to hijack a c/sino discussion, but I think the behavior and tactics of capital depends on its power relative to labor. Finland has relatively strong labor in part because of the welfare state. Capital can only demand so much before workers strike or quit. There have been multiple large strikes in the past months.

    If and when the economy declines in Finland, all the meager social-democratic gains won by the socialists in the 20th century will be lost. And once they are lost, we probably won’t see them again without a revolution. We are already trending this direction as the social entitlements are being eroded by the current center-right government.




  • The “yeah but X is hard” cliche is certainly reddity. Claiming authority over what counts as common sense, well I’ve heard that from all types of people. Heard it plenty in the Southern US arguing with conservatives. Anyone might whip that phrase out when, upon being pushed to justify a political view in the mildest way, they realize they have only a gut feeling or simple programming passed from their parents.


  • Coming to Finland from the US, I was surprised at the relatively higher use of machinery at things like construction sites. For example, using a bulldozer for moving small piles of dirt that I think in America would have been handled by a couple guys with shovels. Environmental question aside, the use of machinery in this way is good for labor QoL and longevity. Americans don’t realize how much harder they work for less pay.