If its just a you-and-them conversation why are you making appeals to popular opinion?

Do you believe having the popular opinion means its the right one?

Ive done just this. They were very supportive in the attempt, despite it ultimately not working out.

Also, not working out doesnt mean a dead cat. It meant she didnt like the taste of it so I switched back to food she would eat, with meat in it.

She actually did like the vegan kibble but she’s a majority wet food eater and didnt like the vegan wet food.

Lemmy.world is not real life, its a shit posting board.

Deep frying a TURDUCKEN!

You do know that everyone is aware they are not trapped here right?

This is not specific to cats. If you plan to formulate your own food for a pet, you need input from a vet and a nutritionist, or else risk hurting your animal. Plenty of people cooking fresh food for their dogs are not giving them a full nutrient profile either.

I think this is showing how much faith people have in regular commercial pet food. Normal pet food isnt great for your pets, look into what the ingredients actually are and their quality.

The only reason the idea of vegan food for cats and dogs came about was in an effort to make them healthier and happier animals. Its not to force a vegans morals onto an animal.

I’m vegan and I have a cat. My vet approved the vegan food for a trial but the cat didnt like it, so she eats meat now. If thats abusive to you then I’m not sure what to say.

Tell me why my entire vet office approved of this trial if its animal abuse always. The discussions here on this site simply dont match the discussions youll find if you talk to a vet or an animal nutritionist.

No, the first post was about that. This post is about how we aren’t allowed to have this conversation out loud.

I do have studies I can send you, I’m sure you know you can find studies all along the spectrum for most topics. I dont have the experience to defend the studies myself though but if you would like I can send you some to look over.

This whole post is frustrating because vegans are trying to reduce animal harm, and then get accused of harming their pets. Of course there are a handful of stories of people who tried a whole food diet and hurt their cats but not a single person recommended that, and multiple vegans correctly advised against it.

The point is that maybe we can trust that vegans of all people would be considerate of animal well being as best as they can, including trying healthier diets in the effort to prolong their lives.

Why are you so quick to move people into the bad vegan category? Sounds like a lot of people are just using this to confirm their belief that vegans are crazy and they should continue eating meat without a care.

I think I get it. If its possible a cat could be healthy and vegan, then humans have no excuse left do they.

Self preservation at its finest.

Show me a study that shows any human or animal benefits in anyway from drinking bleach.

However, there does exist a spectrum of studies both supporting and attacking the idea of a vegan diet for cats, often with contradictory conclusions.

From my understanding there was a nuanced discussion including risks and acknowledging that whole food diets are impossible for cats.

Either people are reacting with emotion far more than I expected, or people are confusing whole food plant based with “no meat products in it”, which of course are two entirely different sets of food.

The admin was childish and obtuse, they could have handled this in a number of other ways and instead doubled down on their emotional reaction and instincts.

The other post isnt going to change the new rules from this post.

Have you apologized yet?

Sounds like its not settled science and we should be able to discuss the spectrum of studies and current science around the topic without fear a man-child will take this as their moment to protect all of the cat world from the evil vegans.

Its absurd. Current science does not say that a cat cannot be healthy or healthier on a vegan diet, which is the only reason vegans are considering it in the first place.

If you all haven’t figured it out yet, animal wellbeing is the whole point, noone was advocating for hurting a cat.

All studies on this will either be funded for or against it. You can’t just claim bias cause you connected a pair of dots in your head.

The same logic would disqualify papers that support your opinion too, as they are funded by companies that make money from selling meat.

Regular cat food is food made in the lab combined with such low grade meat that humans can’t eat it.

It turns out that pet diets all around are poorly understood by average people, who regularly shorten their cats lives or cause illnesses.

It turns out that it might be beneficial to work towards better health for our pets, whether thats with vegan food or not.

Vegans are only considering the food for their cats in an effort to make them healthier and happier.

Contrary to the common post here, this topic is not settled science. Anyone acting like it is simply refusing to allow themselves to hear out a perspective they instintually feel repulsed by.

Side note: funny how the most taboo subject on lemmy isnt something like incest or rape, its vegan cats.

Quite a lot of people experience physical discomfort or pain from eating the things you listed.

A good portion of the world is lactose intolerant, justtpo point out an obvious one.

Meat can cause a “spike followed by a come down” effect somewhat similar to sugar in some people.

But what I think happens is that people dont make the connection between how they feel and their diet.

Got any peer reviewed studies that show that a vegan diet is impossible for a cat?

Oh wait this isnt a medical journal, its a shit posting board on the internet, so who gives a flying fuck.

Thanks for repeating yourself again and proving me right.

Obligate Carnivore: Cats, Dogs, and What it Really Means to be Vegan by Jed Gillen

Great read!

So I understand this, vegans promoting vegan cat diets need scientifically proved reproducible peer reviewed studies backing their claims, while the “feed cats whatever garbage is in these cans as long as its meat™” crowd can just say it with their chest, right?

The rules are written so the admins and mods can maintain their positions and feelings without having to explain themselves. Its an insistence that whatever they do is right because they own the place.

Thanks for banning discussion? Gonna have to explain that one.

You know what would be in the news, if a vegan forced their cat to be vegan until it died.

You know how many stories youll find about that. About 1 and the cat survived.

Now compare that to stories of healthy vegan cats, youll find plenty of those. Usually the stories are written from a skeptic point of view but the stories are there.

Noone else has considered it, and they are going with their gut reaction rather than consider both sides. Isnt the internet a fun place!