I agree, face the wall

They’re the type of socialism (social democracy) that I approve of.

Social democracy is not socialism, it is social-fascism, class collaboration leeching off the wealth of the global south like a settler vampire from the hill of the imperialism. Look at how social democratic settlers treat immigrants, or minorities/natives. You fundamentally do not understand what socialism is.

And no offense, but you have no fucking idea what the the PRC is doing. You know nothing about their government structure, how policy is carried out, or the way the system functions at all. I guarantee you could not name the tiers of government, or even three government officials without looking it up. Your ignorance is shown right away by the fact that you say “CCP” (Chinese Communist Party) when the correct acronym is “CPC” (Communist Party of China). This is such a simple mistake that proves you have not read any media outside of the west regarding China.

Says something incorrect Gets well cited rebuttal “Omg I won cuz I made you mad”

see above

Person who thinks they can refute video evidence, the admissions of student leaders and a western correspondent, and the private admissions of the US government.

Shut the fuck up, you’re literally the only other person who posts on here, I’m not exposing you in a 2 month old thread. Your racism will be on the front page.

sorry, racism isn’t good

Cognitive dissonance 🥱

Ugh horrible argument. No, you have to contend with the source I provided, not skip it and provide a different source, especially when the prolewiki page is a challenge to the Wikipedia page, and so citing the latter is like citing a work against which a polemic is directed at the polemic as an “alternative.”

Apparently Wikipedia is “not biased”, they just forbid certain sources, include U.S. government aligned sources by and large (this article you’ve cited sources Radio Free Europe, a CIA propaganda outlet; the New York Times summaries of situations in countries the U.S. is opposed to (this is done 10x), despite the source being a rubber stamp for the U.S. government; a Washington Post opinion article which completely obfuscates the nature of the press as a tool of class rule), and so on. Sorry, Wikipedia is biased.

We’re out of the echochamber, prove anything I said in this post wrong. You can’t do it!

Ugh garbage one-liner. Refute what I have to say or shut the fuck up 🥱

“Getting you mad”, no it’s actually fun to refute everything you have to say and see no attempt at a rebuttal. Keep squirming.

You did the @ wrong lmao

I can’t believe I had forgotten this powerful point

“Horrible people exist” is the claim now? I thought they were “heroic defenders against an aggressor?” No mention of how I turned your “he’s Jewish” defense on its head, no mention of how Zelensky wears and advertises Nazi merchandise, no mention of how these horrible people who simply “exist” are propped up by Zelensky and the government (no, all I showed was that “horrible people exist”). No mention of how these Nazis are CURRENTLY harming minorities in Ukraine, “let’s just worry about that after” no I don’t think so. I fucking hate Nazis, and I am not waiting for ANYTHING to challenge the government being soft on them (supporting them, advertising them, praising them) and allowing them to commit atrocities against their own population. Fuck you for supporting this, and in a just world you would be shot.

Eh well I did prove they’re racist and completely wrong, but good job ignoring all of that.

1. Says something incorrect
2. Gets well cited rebuttal
3. “Omg I won cuz I made you mad”

Classic reactionary tradition, remember there’s no accusation I didn’t prove. If there is one, show it to me. Instead, you have to resort to inhaling copium about “getting to people.” Yeah, racism and misinformation generally aren’t tolerated. Sink into that cognitive dissonance like a good little fool.

Praising nazis. For… shuffles cards defending the country against an agressor?

1. You forgot the picture (I know of Utkin though, maybe don’t do w h a t a b o u t i s m, especially when I never said I supported Russia, and this is the only person you’re able to point to whereas in Ukraine Nazis are everywhere [1] [2] [3] [4] [5], you’re being dishonest in order to shuffles cards discard criticism of the prevalence of Nazism in Ukraine)
2. If you need the support of Nazis for your struggle perhaps you need to reconsider what you’re doing (if they’re such a “small part” of the struggle as well, as people claim, then surely Zelensky doesn’t need to resort to such sycophancy and can jail these people). Zelensky wears and advertises Nazi merchandise [1] [2]; does photoshoots with Nazis (that’s Azov’s Andriy Biletsky, who previously stated that his goal is to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade… against Semite-led Untermenschen” ); Ukraine is known for connections to the far right, to the extent that U.S. Congress removed a ban on funding Neo-Nazis in order to support Ukraine.

You can’t just hand wave this away as “Zelensky is Jewish”; in fact, Right Sektor antisemite Dmitro Korchynsky said it’s convenient that the president is Jewish, because it means that it is harder to accuse Ukraine of nazism. You’re playing right into the hands of people who are actively harming and seeking to kill minorities] and who uphold Nazi collaborators as heroes. You are a horrible person.

Zelensky also does photo shoots with and praises Nazis

It is their fault. They lost an argument only to whine about me and others in another thread (after willfully ignoring my response to their points) and now they say they “don’t have a lot of time” (they had time to write 400 responses and link multiple resources they didn’t verify) when asked to read, that’s textbook bad faith cowardice. This person you’re responding to, JohnDclay, is the asshole lib from the 500 response thread.

I’m trying to talk in good faith, but I don’t have 10 hours to read about it. I’ve only researched about 1 or 2 hours. But I’m definitely not just taking your website at face value.

Right, so you didn’t read my carrd and then linked a different source instead (super good faith) that I completely refuted (apparently you felt no need to respond to my complete rebuttal]. So you didn’t read the comment or the response to your rebuttal, and yet you’re saying you’re acting in good faith because you don’t have a lot of time/haven’t done a lot of research? Whatever, then don’t act like you’re qualified to have an opinion.

But I’m definitely not just taking your website at face value.

What does this even mean? “Face value”? It’s a collection of sources. Seriously, if you don’t have the knowledge to even respond to my points, much less my complete refutation of your own points, don’t ghost respond to me acting like I’ve said something crazy to get support in another thread. It’s cowardly and pathetic.

I’m just so fed up with folks online regarding, what i would call state capitalist countries as genuine socialism,

Read up on your Trotsky fool