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  • thank you for taking your time and making this, I hope this time all of all reach an agreement. I also hope admins participate in discussion.

    tl;dr: I think it’s totally fine that soferman belives in sources that most lemmurs don’t trust, and I think they should be free to express their opinion and disagreement, but not in the form of spamming the front page or personal attacks. other users should also show their dissagreement in civil manner. regarding their ban, I think the ban shouldn’t have happened after eveyone had calmed down and moved on. it only made more drama and was not a good choice fom my point of view.

    a wall of text that is more of a rambling:

    I think while looking at soferman’s behavior we should understand their motivation, in my opinion such behavior is to be expected as more people join Lemmy. the current culture we have here is more of an eccentric counter culture, in almost all apects. most of us share ideas that are alien to average English speaking population. your average American uses proprietary software, centralised platforms, welcomes any kind of spyware in their life, has this very right wing geopolitical understanding of the world, etc. now we’re lucky, because we don’t deal with the average person, people who want decentralised platforms powered by FOSS join Lemmy.

    now consider that soferman is from Norway, thus believes in some form of social-democracy, and shows interest in FLOSS, so they’re not anywhere near the average person we discussed.

    now imagine a person who has been convinced China is the worst and most dangerous country in the world, is facing a lot of pro-China articles on the main page, and is facing some news outlets like the gray zone. it’s completely natural to battle this by posting articles from sources they’re used to. so I don’t think it’s a problem that soferman keeps posting “pro-imperialist” articles, to them it’s “normal”. (honestly I myself feel uncomfortable when I see some of the opinions on Lemmy, and that is fine, I’m not expecting other to magically change their worldview to match mine, but at the same time we can’t blame soferman for what they do).

    but regarding their other undesirable behavior, I totally agree soferman is guilty of personal attacks, calling other to confront them “face to face” on jitsi, spamming agenda posts, and closing any debate by pointless comments like “ok, so logic/history is on your side”. do I think they deserved a ban for that? I would’ve been totally fine had they been banned when they asked people to meetbon jitsi or spammed the who front page. but being banned because they had a bad opinion during a conversation with an admin is not acceptable in my opinion. in other words, I think the timing of the ban makes it look bad. soferman had mostly changed their behavior, and everything was ok, then the ban happened and here we are.