1. Meta/Facebook has a horrific track record on human rights:
- https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/ethiopia-facebook-algorithms-contributed-human-rights-abuses-against-tigrayans
- https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence
- https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587080/mark-zuckerberg-holocaust-denial-kara-swisher-interview
2. Meta/Facebook is trying to join the Fediverse. We need to defederate them.
3. If you're a server admin, please defederate Meta's domain "threads.net" (here's how on Mastodon https://fedi.tips/how-to-defederate-fediblock-a-server-on-mastodon/)
4. If you don't run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate "threads.net". Your admin is listed on your server website's About page.
Meta just announced that they are trying to integrate Threads with ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.). We need to defederate them if we want to avoid them pushing their crap into fediverse.
If you’re a server admin, please defederate Meta’s domain “threads.net”
If you don’t run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate “threads.net”.
But I don’t want the fediverse to become mainstream!!
I know, I know, most people think it’s the best thing.
But I selfishly prefer the fediverse to be as it is now. Actually, as it was a couple of months ago. Lemmy is already being filled with rage-baiting bullshit, which is one of the reasons I decided to leave reddit.
I am 100% with you. Becoming mainstream is what ruins most good communities that end up ruined. Hell, even Facebook was a 1000x better before they opened it to non-college users.
Just because the Fediverse is mainstream doesn’t mean that the content on every instance is mainstream; instances can display content however they like. It really is rather selfish to say that you want everyone to stay in the corporate walled gardens just so that you can enjoy your unfiltered feed.
Well I’d really like you to elaborate. What prevents individual instances from being a nice environment even if it can connect to a giant network? On Lemmy for instance there are several instances with very nice local feeds and also on several microblogging instances there are strong internal communities. Just because the rest of the Fediverse is there doesn’t mean you have to see it all.
That said, there is a lot that can be done on a lot of platforms to give communities more of their own touch. Right now, most Fediverse platforms are currently very invested into the idea of complete decentralisation and treat other instances just like their own.
Half-centralisation measures like allowing microblogs to be unlisted outside the home instance or being able to hide a community from other instances’ All feeds, or even blocking outside users from posting in a community, would definitely be welcome. Point is the solution is not to keep the entire network small, but rather features encouraging interaction locally allowing for community building.
All good points. I’m just tired of moving to a spot (slashdot, digg, reddit, etc) only for it to be invaded by the same toxic, race-baiting crowd. And I think in the fediverse that may occur way more often. Say, today I’m in Lemmy.world. Then I move to Beehaw. Then Reddthat, etc…
If you want to avoid the toxic crowd, I definitely recommend Beehaw.org. Their entire purpose is to build a community without the toxicity often seen on social media platforms. In fact, they have even defederated lemmy.world because they couldn’t control said crowd.
Yes, but the point you’re trying to make doesn’t make sense. The content subscription model for both of these are completely different.
On Twitter (erm, I bounced shortly after the X shenanigans…) you subscribed to people and mostly saw tweets of people you follow, and the tweets they re-tweet, so it’s heavily individual-curated.
On Facebook you “subscribe” to people and groups. Because your feed is mixed between people and group posts, you’re still getting a mostly-curated feed from friends, with algorithmic posts from groups. In the last few years they started blending in posts from groups/pages you aren’t in if your feed doesn’t have much content.
Lemmy is entirely different. You only subscribe to communities. The curation is moderation style and upvotes. Individual people can guarantee their way into everyone’s feed by posting to the most active communities.
There’s a HUGE number of ragebait posters on Meta/Xhitter because that’s what causes “engagement” and thus that’s what the Meta algorithms will foster. Bringing in Meta won’t dilute the ragebait. It will amplify it.
I haven’t missed the point, I simply disagree with your assertion. The advocacy to preemptively defederate from Threads is grounded in unsubstantiated FUD.
I’m not sure why there’s so much concern about hostility being a new thing when Threads comes in. Responses like the ones you’ve replied with demonstrate the existing userbase already has a few toxic apples.
But I don’t want the fediverse to become mainstream!!
I know, I know, most people think it’s the best thing.
But I selfishly prefer the fediverse to be as it is now. Actually, as it was a couple of months ago. Lemmy is already being filled with rage-baiting bullshit, which is one of the reasons I decided to leave reddit.
I am 100% with you. Becoming mainstream is what ruins most good communities that end up ruined. Hell, even Facebook was a 1000x better before they opened it to non-college users.
It really depends on the instance. There are many cozy, non-mainstream corners on the Fediverse. For instance, beehaw.org is as pleasant as can be.
Just because the Fediverse is mainstream doesn’t mean that the content on every instance is mainstream; instances can display content however they like. It really is rather selfish to say that you want everyone to stay in the corporate walled gardens just so that you can enjoy your unfiltered feed.
Uh, yeah. I already mentioned that.
I know, I’m just emphasising on it, and its needlessness.
We disagree, and that’s okay.
Well I’d really like you to elaborate. What prevents individual instances from being a nice environment even if it can connect to a giant network? On Lemmy for instance there are several instances with very nice local feeds and also on several microblogging instances there are strong internal communities. Just because the rest of the Fediverse is there doesn’t mean you have to see it all.
That said, there is a lot that can be done on a lot of platforms to give communities more of their own touch. Right now, most Fediverse platforms are currently very invested into the idea of complete decentralisation and treat other instances just like their own.
Half-centralisation measures like allowing microblogs to be unlisted outside the home instance or being able to hide a community from other instances’ All feeds, or even blocking outside users from posting in a community, would definitely be welcome. Point is the solution is not to keep the entire network small, but rather features encouraging interaction locally allowing for community building.
All good points. I’m just tired of moving to a spot (slashdot, digg, reddit, etc) only for it to be invaded by the same toxic, race-baiting crowd. And I think in the fediverse that may occur way more often. Say, today I’m in Lemmy.world. Then I move to Beehaw. Then Reddthat, etc…
We shall see.
If you want to avoid the toxic crowd, I definitely recommend Beehaw.org. Their entire purpose is to build a community without the toxicity often seen on social media platforms. In fact, they have even defederated lemmy.world because they couldn’t control said crowd.
Adding more people would dilute some of the excessively frequent ragebait posters…
It’s like the same 2-3 dozen people.
Good to know. I’ll start blocking, then.
Have you been on Facebook (or Xhitter) recently? Where “recent” is defined as “within the past decade or so”.
Yes, but the point you’re trying to make doesn’t make sense. The content subscription model for both of these are completely different.
On Twitter (erm, I bounced shortly after the X shenanigans…) you subscribed to people and mostly saw tweets of people you follow, and the tweets they re-tweet, so it’s heavily individual-curated.
On Facebook you “subscribe” to people and groups. Because your feed is mixed between people and group posts, you’re still getting a mostly-curated feed from friends, with algorithmic posts from groups. In the last few years they started blending in posts from groups/pages you aren’t in if your feed doesn’t have much content.
Lemmy is entirely different. You only subscribe to communities. The curation is moderation style and upvotes. Individual people can guarantee their way into everyone’s feed by posting to the most active communities.
You completely missed the point.
There’s a HUGE number of ragebait posters on Meta/Xhitter because that’s what causes “engagement” and thus that’s what the Meta algorithms will foster. Bringing in Meta won’t dilute the ragebait. It will amplify it.
I haven’t missed the point, I simply disagree with your assertion. The advocacy to preemptively defederate from Threads is grounded in unsubstantiated FUD.
19 years of unsubstantiation.
How much does Meta pay you to shill, I wonder?
Someone disagreeing with you isn’t shilling.
I’m not sure why there’s so much concern about hostility being a new thing when Threads comes in. Responses like the ones you’ve replied with demonstrate the existing userbase already has a few toxic apples.