Hamas has thousands of “command centers” it being a very top heavy organization and all. Its estimated for every Hamas soldier there’s 10,000 managers - many of them women and toddlers - unanimously authorizing every war crime committed by Hamas.
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I don’t understand why people believe them.
When Russia bombed civilian churches, apartments, hospitals, and said they were being used as military command centers and such, nobody believed them, it was an obvious lie.
But when Israel says it the whole world just says “Wow makes perfect sense, good job!”
Because calling something that Israel does bad is obviously antisemitic!
This goes deeper than many people realize. Netanyahu has spent the last couple decades getting criticism of the Israeli government codified as anti-semitism in countries around the world. You can actually lose government funding in many Western countries for “anti-semitism” that’s just pointing out the Israeli government is bad.
Israel put up this whole thing about Tunnels. The thing is, Hamas does use tunnels. But Israel took that as an excuse to bomb anything that even looked like a tunnel on a drone video feed. With 2,000 pound bombs because of course every tunnel in Gaza is obviously super fortified.
The problem with that logic is that Gaza did have modern infrastructure. That means basements, under ground maintenance tunnels, or even just a shelter because Israel bombs Gaza about as often as a Tornado hits in the Midwest. With nothing more than a “hatch” or “tunnel entrance” as evidence, it’s 100% war crime territory. But that requires people to actually think.
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Most people aren’t critical of the majority of the media they consume. If you live in a Western country, chances are that the media you get your news from frames Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as illegal and immoral, and Israel’s invasion of Gaza as legitimate self-defense.
Cognitive dissonance is front and center when people criticize Russia but not Israel.
Israel has killed more civilians in 2 months than Russia has killed in 2 years, to put things into perspective.
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The claims relate to an eight-day operation by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) at the Kamal Adwan Hospital last week, which the military alleges was being used as a command and control center by Hamas.
Ohh another command and control center, the beating heart of Hamas operation.
If you guys don’t feel good, be sure to visit your local Hamas command and control center.
Joke aside, the whole article is disturbing as fuck.
There is also terrible footage of this https://youtu.be/g5OcE8JqkZM?feature=shared
Ohh another command and control center, the beating heart of Hamas operation.
It’s not remotely surprising. Hamas run the entire Gaza Strip and have done for 17 years. Many of the doctors in these hospitals are also members of Hamas, including their militant wing, and are themselves responsible for terrorism. There’s no layer of civil infrastructure that has not been infected by Hamas’ poison.
Source: trust me bro?
Sorry, can you point me to the specific part of that article that says many of the doctors are Hamas? Because what I read is this:
In the first three weeks of the current operation, Swords of Iron, the civilian proportion of total deaths rose to 61%, in what Levy described as “unprecedented killing” for Israeli forces in Gaza. The ratio is significantly higher than the average civilian toll in all the conflicts around the world from the second world war to the 1990s, in which civilians accounted for about half the dead, according to Levy.
“The broad conclusion is that extensive killing of civilians not only contributes nothing to Israel’s security, but that it also contains the foundations for further undermining it,” Levy concluded. “The Gazans who will emerge from the ruins of their homes and the loss of their families will seek revenge that no security arrangements will be able to withstand.”
The study confirms an investigation 10 days ago by the Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and the Hebrew-language outlet Local Call, which found Israel was deliberately targeting residential blocks to cause mass civilian casualties in the hope people would turn on their Hamas rulers. The figures will make uneasy reading for the Biden administration, which is facing global criticism and isolation for vetoing a UN security council vote for a ceasefire on Friday.
Holy shit. TIL the civilian death toll in Gaza isn’t that much greater than the average war per capita. I knew all war sucked but I didn’t know they were all like this
What do you mean “isn’t that much greater”? The Haaretz study shows a civilian death rate of around 61%, whereas prior conflicts in Gaza had a civilian death rate of 33% to 40%, and the article says the 61% level is unprecedented. A 20%-30% increase is an insane number of additional dead.
Yes. Those are also facts. They do not change the one you left out. The average is 50%. There has obviously been escalation above the average from being below it. That was not my comment. 60 from 50 isn’t as much of a difference than I’d expected. This all looks so terrible. But apparently that’s the norm
50% to 60% is an increase of 20% which is pretty large.
It’s a 20% increase and 10% of the total, which is massive.
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Early Israeli zionists tried a few times to ally with the Nazis.
there were no israeli zionists at the time, I’d say just zionists. please correct me if I’m wrong
They were Israelis after the war though, and they lived the rest of their lives as Israelis, so it make sense to refer to them as such.
And y’know they considered themselves Israeli before the state even re-existed.
Fun fact: even Zionists called it Palestine before they changed the name.
ok, I get your point. thank you
Zionism is the new Nazism.
Treat Zionists as you would Nazis.
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The comparison with the Nazis doesn’t help anything and just makes the discussion a quagmire of historical misanalogies.There are dozens of other cruel and horrible examples from history to compare with, pick another one that does not specifically trigger Jewish sensibilities.
Hell, if you absolutely need to use Germany as an example, use what they did in WW1 in Belgium.
There are Jewish scholars and activists comparing contemporary treatment of Palestinians by Israel with nazism. Are they allowed to make comparisons that trigger Jewish sensibilities?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein
Finkelstein was born to parents who are both Jewish Holocaust survivors in New York City in 1953 (…) Finkelstein has called Israel the “Jewish supremacist state”, and views it as committing the crime of apartheid against the Palestinian people.[5] Through personal accounts in one of his books, he compares the plight of the Palestinians living under Israeli occupation with the horrors of the Nazis.[6]
Did I ban anyone from saying anything? Do what you will. FFS.
All I’m saying is that by picking that rhetorical terrain, you’re choosing to play the game on Israel’s terms and you open up the door to being accused of antisemitism and then you’re having that discussion. It’s a pointless distraction from what they are actually doing.
Any Government that prevents access to food, medicine and potable water to a population of their people they feel are undesirable, has racially coded check points, and white-only roads absolutely deserves to be compared to Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa, Rhodesia, or the Confederate states. That government also deserves to share the same fates as those other governments.
Never Again means Never Again without any qualifications.
I understand it hurts, but the ethno-state is the common dream of Hitler and Israel. Facts are facts.
Weird that open Jew-hatred like this is tolerated here
You’re all over this thread defending Israel and now you’re equating Jewish people with the Israeli government. Bad faith arguing.
Equating all Jews with the monsters committing genocide is… What’s that word again? Oh, antisemitic, right. People simp for Israel so hard they become actual antisemites.
Hi, I’m a Jew. I also absolutely hate Netanyahu and the entire disgusting coalition of Likud, Tkuma, Otzma Yehudit and all their Kahanist allies.
It’s not anti-semitic to hate the government of the state of Israel, as much as they might like to pretend that the terms are synonymous.
Obviously criticism of the current Israeli government is 100% valid because they suck. And criticizing it is definitely not anti-semitic.
However, is calling for the destruction of Israel anti-semitic? Is calling for the destruction of all Muslim states Islamophobic?
Yes and yes, imho. The only humane way forward is an end to the killing on both sides and a diplomatic solution. Whether that’s a one, two or five state solution doesn’t matter to me, that’s up to the people negotiating.
That diplomacy and negotiation feels a very long way away at the moment though.
Criticism of Israel ≠ Jew hatred.
Unless you mean to say that, for example, every Jew in JVP is committing Jew Hatred on a daily basis.
why do you mock jews accent then?
Nope, just the people who use KHAMAS to differentiate themselves from the rest, it’s a signal.
who are the rest? what signal?
I’m sorry, you didn’t notice how a number of people with British accents or who are from America just go out and say KHAMAS. Like, are you kidding me? Do you say “KHELICOPTER”? Hamas’ name in English follows the Arabic tradition of ح (ḥā) sound being turned into the “h” letter in English and pronounced like a normal h, and yes, it’s normal to say “Khamas” if your mother tongue is modern Hebrew, but I think you aew still oblivious to the fact that Israeli propaganda wants to “other” Palestinians (by calling them “Arabs”, for example). In this case, it’s by deliberately mispronouncing the English name of “Hamas” (any person interested enough in a thing usually learns to pronounce it correctly, lots of people in the UN said “Hamas” regardless of their mother tongue when they spoke proper English) but Israeli officials want to degrade Hamas, make Hamas sound bad through and through, and often when you hear KHAMAS, you also hear “KHAMAS ISIS” even though no self respecting expert would make such a comparison. But that all starts to look terrible when you realize that Hamas in Israel means all of the Gazan government. The IDF has bombed governmental buildings, stopped all social work, and obstructed police that were trying to rescue people from under the rubble because those police are “KHAMAS”. Any social worker or nurse at a public hospital is KHAMAS. etc.
So when I say KHAMAS, please don’t think of me mocking a Jewish Israeli speaking on the news about the atrocity their witnessed on October 7th. Instead, think of [this man who’s quite a piece of work] (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LPnI6jD-k8I)
History is tolerated. And I’m talking about Israel no Jews. Maybe another few years back to school could help?
Israel is an ethno-state, people fighting on behalf of Israel want to eradicate Palestinian people. This doesn’t have anything to do with Jewish people in general. To conflate Israel with Jewish people is itself antisemitic.
The director of a Gaza hospital admitted to Israeli interrogators that he had been recruited by Hamas to help turn the Strip’s medical centers into military facilities, the Israel Security Agency (Shin Bet) announced on Tuesday.
In a video released by the Shin Bet, Ahmed Kahlot, director of the Kamal Adwan Hospital in the northern Gaza Strip, said, “I was recruited to Hamas in 2010 at the rank of lieutenant colonel. There are employees in the hospital who are military operatives of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam [Hamas’s “military branch”]—doctors, brothers, paramedics, clerks, staff members.”
Kahlot added, “They hide in hospitals because they believe that a hospital is a safe place. They will not be harmed if they are inside a hospital.”
Israel security forces arrested Kahlot on Dec. 12.
During the interrogation, Kahlot describes how Hamas used hospitals and ambulances to hide operatives, launch military activity, transport members of terror squads and even deliver a kidnapped Israeli soldier.
“Hamas has offices inside the hospitals. There are places for senior officials, they also brought a kidnapped soldier there. There is a designated place for investigations, internal security and special security. They all have private phone lines inside the hospital,” he said.
Regarding the kidnapped soldier, Kahlot explained that “Hamas uses private ambulances. It has a different color, and no license plate. It was used to bring the kidnapped soldier and to transfer bodies. It comes and goes and does not take down the wounded.”
Kahlot told the interrogator: “Once I begged them to take a wounded man to the Indonesian hospital, for healing, for treatment. They refused. Their mission is more important.”
Hamas’s leaders, he continued, “are cowards. They left us in the field while they hide…. They destroyed us.”
Palestinian doctors are not trustworthy because many of them are members of the Hamas terrorist organisation.
The subtext of your message under the context of this thread: “Shooting at civilians is ok, actually”. Thank you for further pushing the world into barbarism with this disgusting shit.
The ‘subtext’ of his message is actually pretty clear, no need to make up something yourself…
Palestinian doctors are not trustworthy because many of them are members of the Hamas terrorist organisation.
So you mean you cannot trust ANY Palestinian doctors? Is that your claim?
Nope. but you can’t blindly trust them either, as many of them support or are part of a widely recognized terror organization.
Israel has very good intelligence agencies, they are the ones that can most likely figure out which ones are trustworthy and which are terrorists.
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So wait…are you saying we’re supposed to discard this doctor’s account because he’s a member of Hamas? Wouldn’t that mean then that the evidence you shared is untrustworthy and therefore your entire comment is a self-contradiction?
