And don’t forget that for everyone who dies there are more than two others injured, and many of these injuries will be life-changing. Plus the psychological trauma.
Because Israel is, despite everything else, still an actual fair democracy. The people of Israel voted for their leaders, and continue to support them. Hamas last had an election in what, 2006? And we have no idea if they support Hamas, there hasn’t exactly been an abundance of reputable polling done in Gaza lately.
No, but it ended for the Palestinians as a political entity with their own agency that day. Future historians will cite this event as the one that sealed the fate of the Palestinians as the losers of this conflict forever. October 7 showed Israel that Palestinians can not be trusted to govern themselves, that the only way the Israeli state can ensure its safety is by having a tight grip over Palestinian affairs, like in the West Bank.
I’m stating this as an observation, not as an expression of support of how Israel is conducting itself in the West Bank. However, I do believe that nothing Israel has ever done justifies the atrocities of October 7 and I sure hope that you were not trying to justify those either.
I’m not sure if you are aware of this, but the persecution of Jews didn’t start with WW2 and neither was it limited to areas controlled by Nazi Germany. There are very good reasons why Jews wanted to return to their home country.
yeah and im sure all us in the americas would be completely fine with a similar thing going on here and that was years that only come into the hundreds.
Not to mention, even if he or any other of the leading figures of his time had been fundamentalists, how would this be a good reason for denying Israel the right to exist right now? Why should that be a criteria? The Palestinian leader at the time, Amin al-Husseini, was most definitely a fundamentalist by modern stadnards, so does this mean that a Palestinian state should not exist either?
Can you describe who these supposed fundamentalists are supposed to be, how large this group and their influence was? Because it can’t be the Haredi, who were far too small and insignificant a group in 1948.
Never take Hamas propaganda at face value
What about Israeli propaganda?
i guess Palestinian propaganda is more valid than israeli one…?
i don’t know who to trust anymore tbh, this war has weaponized sympathy to the point i do not know who should i give it to
The thousands of dead innocents caught in the middle is where I’ve been keeping my sympathy. They seem to be the only ones suffering in this damn war.
Tens of thousands.
Fast approaching 30000.
And don’t forget that for everyone who dies there are more than two others injured, and many of these injuries will be life-changing. Plus the psychological trauma.
Exactly. Hamas is comprised of Palestinians, not all Palestinians are Hamas. It’s civilians dying to Israelis indiscriminate attacks.
Fuck Israel. Fuck Hamas.
The only way to stop groups like Hamas from existing is to stop Israel from murdering and oppressing Palestinians and creating generations of trauma.
Ones cause, the others effect.
There’s all manner of explanations as to why this situation arose, but none of them change the root message here: Fuck Hamas, Fuck Israel.
Quick question: Why Hamas, the government of Gaza, on one hand, but Israel as a whole instead of the Israeli government on the other?
Because Israel is a democracy, and the last time Gaza had an election it was before the majority of them were born.
Because Israel is, despite everything else, still an actual fair democracy. The people of Israel voted for their leaders, and continue to support them. Hamas last had an election in what, 2006? And we have no idea if they support Hamas, there hasn’t exactly been an abundance of reputable polling done in Gaza lately.
That gotcha kind of fell flat, didnt itneither. israel should not even be there but the whole thing started with a hamas attack (well not the whole thing thus point one)
History didn’t start on Oct 7.
No, but it ended for the Palestinians as a political entity with their own agency that day. Future historians will cite this event as the one that sealed the fate of the Palestinians as the losers of this conflict forever. October 7 showed Israel that Palestinians can not be trusted to govern themselves, that the only way the Israeli state can ensure its safety is by having a tight grip over Palestinian affairs, like in the West Bank.
I’m stating this as an observation, not as an expression of support of how Israel is conducting itself in the West Bank. However, I do believe that nothing Israel has ever done justifies the atrocities of October 7 and I sure hope that you were not trying to justify those either.
agreed.
What do you mean by “be there”? Exist as a nation or be in Gaza?
exist as a nation. Put in place by fundamentalist religious types who want to show how the bible predicted this thing they caused to happen.
Don’t forget the mass migrations prior to WW2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel#British_Mandate_(1917–1948)
I’m not sure if you are aware of this, but the persecution of Jews didn’t start with WW2 and neither was it limited to areas controlled by Nazi Germany. There are very good reasons why Jews wanted to return to their home country.
Stealing land has always been popular.
yeah and im sure all us in the americas would be completely fine with a similar thing going on here and that was years that only come into the hundreds.
I don’t even know where to start with a comment this absurd. The founder of the modern state of Israel was anything but a fundamentalist:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion#Religious_belief
Not to mention, even if he or any other of the leading figures of his time had been fundamentalists, how would this be a good reason for denying Israel the right to exist right now? Why should that be a criteria? The Palestinian leader at the time, Amin al-Husseini, was most definitely a fundamentalist by modern stadnards, so does this mean that a Palestinian state should not exist either?
one person is not the reason israel came into being. it would never have made it without the fundamentalists pushing support for it.
Can you describe who these supposed fundamentalists are supposed to be, how large this group and their influence was? Because it can’t be the Haredi, who were far too small and insignificant a group in 1948.
That has a habit of being true