• TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    Watching all these news organizations drive the “both sides are the same” narrative to keep the clicks flowing is fucking crazy.

    If the fascists win, the first people thrown against the walls will be the news organizations lmao.

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      Nah. the first ones will be some minority group protesting.

      Get the news orgs to flock out there; makes them easy to line up.

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      Watching Biden supporters attack the media like a bunch of Republicans is pretty fucking crazy too

      If the fascists win, we can both say “I told you so” to each other on our way to that same wall

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        It is astounding how willing some people on the left are to ignore polling and legitimate criticism.

        If Keith Olbermann had his way Trump would be our next president… they’ve buried their heads so deep in the sand that they’re actively hurting Biden’s chances.

        Biden is flawed, he’s too old and generally unpopular. Own it and overcome it - if you don’t then people will see that you’re full of shit and be more willing to buy Trump’s lies.

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          “Own it and overcome it”

          How exactly? The Democratic Party isn’t exactly soliciting recommendations from the general public. The primaries are where you would vote for a more viable candidate but without backing from one of the major parties there are no realistic viable alternatives.

          The best anyone can do right now is not vote for Biden in the primary (or vote for a non viable candidate) and that just creates a narrative that Biden doesn’t have support.

          What concrete thing do you want people to do?

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            I want Biden to be vulnerable about the actuality of his age. He’s old enough to suffer in his mental faculties and we all fucking know it… stress what you’re still bringing to the table, international and domestic clout, the track record of decent accomplishments from term 1, not being trump… and explain how you’re overcoming your flaws, competent staffers, good cabinet appointments (like the woman killing it in the FTC), having a good replacement in your VP slot (swap out Harris, she’s unpopular and won’t win a battleground site).

            It’s not on us to trust - it’s on him to earn it.

            And yea, we absolutely should show skepticism in the primaries, ideally there’d be a feasible challenger but challenging an incumbent is generally seen as political suicide.

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              I think I initially misread your post as Biden voters owning and overcoming it, but I think you were more saying for Biden to do that.

              I think he’s trying to some extent, I saw him on Seth Meyers the other night and he seemed like any other old man politician. I think the problem is that he is old, there’s not much he can do about that, if he goes out and acts young… well nothing seems older than an old person acting young.

              His talking points do often include actual accomplishments, I think the problem is that the accomplishments don’t feel good. One he cited on that Seth Meyers appearance is that coming out of the post pandemic inflation the US is doing best of the developed nations. Let’s say this is true, this is still hard to run on. Everyone is experiencing inflation but our policies made it so we experienced it the least. This is so abstract to your average voter, where the idea “Biden made prices go up” is wrong (if it were just Biden, other nations wouldn’t also experience inflation too) but easily grasped.

              Overall, I think the big mistake is the party letting him run again. But the Democratic Party being dog shit at election strategy is par for the course

    • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.worldOP
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      It’s not just this one poll (archived)

      A day after Democrats dragged a New York Times/Siena College poll that showed the president falling 4 points behind his likely Republican opponent, former President Donald Trump, in a general election matchup, Sunday brought an additional three major surveys also showing Trump leading amid broad and deep dissatisfaction with the incumbent.

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    Not popular? But at he’s not the fascist orangutan threatening us with another good time.

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        Really? Joe Fucking Biden is a Fascist? Are you out of your goddamn mind? I don’t even like the dude and that’s absurd.

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            Ahh got it, we’re just going to say “genocide” over and over and act like that’s a supporting argument.

            Either you don’t know what fascism is or you’re deliberately muddying the waters. Either way, deuces!

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        I’m don’t want Trump to win but at least he is open about being [a fascist]

        That’s actually worse, imo. Like, the fact that we’re getting fascist results from status quo Joe doesn’t mean he’s a fascist, it’s just a sign of how bad the status quo has grown to be, and a big part of that is because assholes say disgusting fascist crap openly and normalize fascist viewpoints and behavior*. If the choice does come down to giving Israel bombs to drop on hungry toddlers either way, it is better if it’s being done with a furrowed brow instead of a shit eating grin.

        *And this goes back way before Trump. Like, the fact that 9/11 got us torturing and suspending due process rights and dropping bombs on innocent people was not an isolated incident and it’s not something we’ve moved past, and that’s just a recent high point. This all goes back to Goldwater and Nixon at least.

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          The funny thing it’s people think I am crazy for saying it but at the same time they didn’t even realize what it’s happening around them. LMAO.

          Apparently recent genocides doesn’t mean something to them, they just think genocide supporting and operation isn’t fascist at all…

          If it looks like a sheep and do the things like a sheep then it’s a fucking sheep you know!!.. but yeah common sense it’s the less common of the senses…

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            You really need to research that word. Fascist is not a synonym for someone who makes unconscionable decisions or someone who does something that is unpopular.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    He’s an incumbent president running for re-election with a reasonably healthy economy against an unpopular opponent accused of multiple federal crimes.

    It has turned what looked like a seemingly predictable rematch into a race with no resemblance to the 2020 election, when Mr. Biden was a broadly appealing candidate who was acceptable to the ideologically diverse group of voters who disapproved of Mr. Trump.

    It’s what Democrats largely avoided in the 2018 and 2022 midterm elections, when they mostly nominated acceptable candidates or ran incumbents against right-wing opponents.

    Mr. Biden’s strength remains relatively concentrated among the most regular voters, as he holds a 46-45 lead among those who have voted in a midterm or a primary.

    He trails by only two points among those “almost certain to vote.” But many other voters will turn out in a general election, and at least in this particular poll they’re enough to give Mr. Trump a modest lead.

    And according to our poll, there’s a simple reason for her strength: Biden voters, who now make up 15 percent of those who say they will probably vote in the Republican primary.


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