• J Lou@mastodon.social
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    7 months ago

    I want to convince leftists that there is no benefit to pro-market anti-capitalists referring to themselves as socialist. It is an unnecessary association that only comes with downsides @memes

    • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      7 months ago

      There absolutely is benefit, though. First of all, I’m anti-market anyways, the profit motive is terrible and needs to be done away with, so that’s my internal bias.

      With my bias out of the way, Market Socialists gain a lot by stating they are Socialists because that very idea seems foreign to Liberals. If they hear Socialism and think mega-communism 100 gorgonzillian dead, then hear markets attached to that, that very term challenges and destabilizes their preconceived notions.

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        7 months ago

        Why is the profit motive terrible in your view? What should we replace the profit motive with?

        What is the benefit to pro-market anti-capitalists to challenging that particular preconceived notion? It creates an unnecessary roadblock when pro-market anti-capitalists can just describe themselves as radically democratic liberals, who want to extend democracy into the workplace @memes

        • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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          7 months ago

          Incentivizing profit instead of outcome results in power imbalances and enshittification. What was once disruption becomes scientifically engineered to extract as much money from the users as possible.