I know it’s .ml where such things happen but ffs! This guy needs to fucking chill 🤦
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worldnews at .ml is a dumpster fire. First community I had to completely scrub from my instance because it was just so toxic from top to bottom.
Edit: Also, will share my last comment there before I self-banned and purged that cesspit from my instance. This is in reply to someone making a fat joke about Kim Jong Un:
Good 'ol ambiguous Rule 1 lol
What you didn’t realize is that Kim Jong II is actually the mod
You too, huh!
Fucking mods, this is Reddit all over again.
And fuck off whoever that tells me again to set up my own instance. What I want is popular instance admins and mods to pull out the stick out of their asses, because free speech instances that get defederated at the speed of light are of no use.
And there’s no seamless multiaccount Lemmy client yet.
/rant
And there’s no seamless multiaccount Lemmy client yet.
…except all of them. At least for Android.
Here’s the one’s I’ve used with seamless multiaccount functionality: Liftoff (RIP), Jerboa, Thunder, Connect, Boost, and Voyager
Sync too, but I only used it briefly because fuck ads.
I tried to give that instance the benefit of the doubt at first, but I just block all lemmy.ml communities when I see them now. There’s just too much user and ideology overlap with lemmygrad and hexbear. The worldnews sub was especially bad though. Disinformation & insults everywhere, but they’re never removed despite reports, because they’re part of their side & agenda. It’s basically lemmygrad in disguise.
The irony of a communist banning someone over “McCarthyism” when what the banned user said was not even close to McCarthyism, making the mod action itself McCarthyism.
They’ve become the very thing they hate!
Everything I don’t like is McCarthyism
This engine is McCarthyism.
Oh is this the new “Gaslighting”?
I don’t like gourd veggies. Is that McCarthyism too?
You were suppose to destroy the Sith, not join them
Usually I hop in these threads ready to tell people why they deserve to be banned, but dang. There is nothing wrong, ethically or factually, in what you said.
One of their mods banned me for pointing out that Chiang Kai-Shek genocided the communists in China before the Long March. Sometimes they hurt themselves in their confusion.
It’s just a job for them, at the end of the day.
Not saying he should have been banned, but factually it was wrong, the FRG was mostly staffed by “former” Nazis. A lot of Germans saw it that way, see Baader-Meinhof.
Also it’s disingenuous to call one of the biggest arms manufacturers who supplied arms to some of the worst regimes, Israel, Sudan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Russia “pacifist”.
Sure would be nice if your instance would allow you to rebut op with your view of the situation rather than scrub their comment and ban them. Lemmy needs more content to grow and over active jannies don’t help on that front.
Jesus fucking Christ, are we getting the power-trip mods?
You guys are getting notifications? I just notice the lack of upvotes after a while posting into the void.
If you try to post again and get a certain error you’re banned from the community, then you can check that community’s server’s mod log (if it’s public)
It just silently goes through, but nobody else can see it. I only know it happened because of the modlog. Weirdly enough they got me the first time for mild criticism of Israel, which I did not expect to be an issue on there.
Might be silent removal of posts instead of ban
Nope, it was a two-week ban in the .ml mod log, both times.
I should look at the source code a bit, see how bans are supposed to work. It could be a federation issue of some kind if I’m supposed to be notified.
Some of the mods will cite the reason for take-down, which is genuinely nice and appreciated and something I forgot even existed after too much time on Reddit.
Interesting. Reddit does prompt you to give a removal message, or did at one time.
.ml tends to slap “rule 1” on everything, which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
.ml tends to slap “rule 1” on everything, which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
[emphasis mine]
Sure about that? From what I’ve seen, anything said in disagreement with the predominant opinion over there (and on hexbear, especially on hexbear) is deemed “bigotry”. They don’t appear to be interested in ingratiating anyone to the cause.
… That’s exactly what I said. Or, at least, what I tried to say.
Some of it is actual bigotry, because this is still the internet, but if they just want to shut someone up it’s also “rule 1”.
Okay, gotcha, I was looking at it from their point of view, which is that everything to them is bigotry, not realizing that that’s what you were saying in the first place. The bad, it is mine.
4.1. No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.Nope, it’s still rule 1 on .ml specifically. Or are you accusing me of bigotry out of the blue? That would be ironic in this context.
I’m simply quoting lemmy.ml’s rule 1 in its entirety. I wrote “4” in error.
which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
Maybe. But I also see a lot of 4chan-esque double speak and “Free Speech” concern trolling that’s all the fuck over Reddit constantly without ever getting any kind of take down.
Reddit admins have automated so much of their policy that you’re posting in a minefield. You don’t know what arcane caveat you’re going to trip over that’ll get you suspended or banned. But you still find yourself hip deep in the most virulent bigoted, war-mongering, and overtly vile comment threads, because older heads know how to tip toe around the trigger words.
Yeah, both can be true. There’s no way they’re close checking every comment on the instance, looking at the rate of mod actions versus traffic.
Head over to lemmy.ml and scroll to the mod log link at the bottom if you want to see for yourself. A lot of it is just slightly different views on the same socialist stuff. Like the time I said Dengism was just thinly-veiled capitalism, and got banned.
It’s literally one of, if not the, original community, and it’s the one maintained by Lemmy’s developers. It’s probably smaller than .world, but dwarfs my instance.
This is the comment and of course toothy banned me for 3 days too.
Just like they did for “sinophobia” when I expressed misgivings about Chinese and Hungarian cops joining forces 🤦
I got banned for “orientalism”, whatever that is
Treating Asian culture or people as a particular stereotype.
Criticizing China in any way.
Ahhh now that adds up
Just like they did for “sinophobia” when I expressed misgivings about Chinese and Hungarian cops joining forces 🤦
Just love the thing where they twist any criticism of the Chinese state into perceived hate for Chinese people, but are so apprehensive when Israel tries to do the same. It’s reprehensible.
That’s like that meme post from a few years ago where it’s like (paraphrased):
Person 1: “I can’t stand homophobes”
Person 2: How dare you insult Christians like that.
Person 1: I never said “Christians”. You jumped on that grenade all by yourself.
Yeah that’s some petty bullshit.
Side note but I really appreciate the mod log feature.
I was also banned from [email protected] and had comments removed for “Re-enforcing neo-liberal cultural hegemony” and “Believes in objectivity in media lmao”.
My offense? Saying that a report sourced solely from an eye-witness account via Al-Jazeera regarding another massacre of civilians and aid workers in Gaza needed to be corroborated by further evidence before we regard it as hard fact. The irony is I’m very much pro-Palestinan.
According to the mods, however, that apparently means I have to throw all media literacy out of the window and blindly accept any anti-Israel claims without question.
That community is wild, but the discussion over Gaza over there is fucking crazy. Al Jazeera is one of their more credible sources, you can find articles from websites nobody every heard of, small blogs that state IDF soldiers are eating babies. And that is no exaggeration, that was the last thing I read before I left that community…
Exactly what prompted me to comment, since the blog that sourced Al-Jazeera also added certain details that didn’t seem based on anything like actual evidence. Although I admit it wasn’t anything near as extreme as the IDF canibalizing babies.
If we must call out pro-Israel propaganda that makes outrageous, unsubstantiated claims like that, we must do the same for pro-Palestinian propaganda, regardless of how we personally feel about the conflict.
I start almost every comment I make on those instances with
I know this will net me a ban
to play a bit of reverse psychology with the mods there, who don’t touch my comments when the denizens there inevitablely say
Oh yeah you think you’re so smart well we don’t ban opposing opinions unlike some places
And the mods there have their hands tied because banning me would prove their own guys wrong.
It’s worked pretty well so far.
This…… is fucking brilliant.
There’s such a polarization and paranoia that any comment that’s not 100% unwavering support is considered an attack.
I was banned for “Rule 4” which, by digging through their rules (which weren’t as easy to find as I expected it to be) I learnt that it was “Illegal content”. I literally never posted a comment, post or had ANY kind of interaction on lemmy before. THIS would be my first comment.
Something similar happened to me with a community on hexbear. Never posted but I already had a ban. The mods must have seen a comment or something on a different community on the instance. Some of the mods there are just as think skinned as on ml.
I had a post made up of almost exclusively links to news sources (to back up a previous claim) removed due to being “uncivil”
The rules are generally on the sidebar of the community or instance (depending on if you want to know the rules of the community or instance).
This is why I’ll personally never donate to the Lemmy devs. I could never bring myself to fund a tankie.
It’s not the only one but one of the bigger reasons why I don’t use Lemmy.
I didn’t let that prevent me from using Lemmy, however, I found that I liked Mbin a lot better. Fedia.io has become my favorite forum type website.
I’m glad we don’t use Lemmy, oh wait
I literally don’t.
If you post a comment to a Lemmy instance, are you using Lemmy?
Federation
Well you use it passively at least.
Although that also means you technically use Mastodon.
Maybe its communities but that’s a bit weird too because in the end it’s more the ActivityPub protocol that we all share the use of. Ultimately I’m neither on Lemmy nor Mastodon, but their content gets federated with the platform I’m using.
How am I reading this comment then?
Lemmy isn’t the only Threadiverse server implementation, though it’s the most-widely used. There’s kbin, of which kbin.social is the largest instance, mbin, of which fedia.io is the largest example – and the user you’re talking to is on fedia.io – and some others.
https://mbin.fediverse.observer/list
https://kbin.fediverse.observer/list
Mbin is IIRC a fork of kbin aimed at getting features in more-quickly.
https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin
Those guys are written in PHP.
There’s PieFed, which is in Python:
https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list
https://github.com/Jelloeater/pyfedi
Sublinks, which is in Java:
Oh, interesting! Thanks for enlightening me!
Because our servers & software that we’re using are federated.
They seem fairly chill as far as I can tell. Its some of the long time users that are the problem
Until you realize some of these long time users are likely sockpuppet accounts of said devs.
But I find it rather funny and in the end their political believes while themselves sitting right in the “imperial core” are harmless. Armchair tankies.
It is pretty exhausting fighting their subtle tankie arguments over and over, lest someone more impressionable only see their bullshit and believe it.
I am really tired to hear “Global South” over and over again.
Rofl. I was wondering why I couldn’t see the other reply to you, and realized it might because I already blocked that user. Went to incognito, and yep, blocked that rabid user a while ago.
I recommend doing the same. I forgot “Global South” was even a term used here.
I am really tired to hear “Global South” over and over again.
We are perfectly aware that beneficiaries of colonisation (like you) would like us here in the Global South to just shut up and give you our resources and labour for absolutely nothing - so there’s no need to say the quiet part out loud, okay?
Lol, I grew up on a Russian colony. Was not fun.
That said, my thing with “Global South” is that it pretends the country with the highest GDP in the world is an “underdog”, and it tries to sell that through its supposed tight alliance with its less fortunate members. By what measure is China or Russia “the South”? Maybe it’s just them trying to sell that they are so oppressed.
And their alliance is so tight that Putin wasn’t allowed on the latest BRICS summit because ZA thought their ties with the ICC are more important than Putin.
It’s just an “actually, we are the victims” circlejerk, based on some fragile semi-alliances and pretending that China is not absolutely dominating the whole thing.
By what measure is China or Russia “the South”?
Russia certainly was after the fall of the USSR - whether it still is is open to debate. China is an active exploiter of the “Global South” - which kind of means the concept is overdue for an update.
ZA thought their ties with the ICC are more important
Nahh, they didn’t want another repeat of the al-Bashir debacle. South Africa’s ANC regime will bend over backwards for the west and especially western corporations - but the US forgot that they will only do so behind closed doors.
We are perfectly aware that beneficiaries of colonisation (like you)
Pretty sure that the guy you’re talking to is from a small country somewhere in Eastern Europe.
Well, I don’t know. I just know that the devs seemed nice and friendly in the QA
Ironically enough, there’s some actual McCarthyism going on in here.
All of the .ml instances are absolutely Russian psyops and you can’t change my mind
(I jest… mostly…)
I’m convinced they’re US psyops to make communists look like idiots. I don’t agree with most of communism, but I can respect people with different views. But the tankies on Lemmy are doing such a hard double dutch rudder on China and Russia they can’t be real. Nobody is that stupid, right? And then I remember how many people are going to vote for trump. Yes, the world really is this stupid all around. Idiots are taking over. The stupid people are breeding. Nationalists that feel it’s their duty to populate the homeland.
Tankies on lemmy are absolutely that stupid. I argue with them all the time. And like OP, I get posts removed and banned often. Across several accounts.
Across several accounts
I choose to believe those tankies are doing the same, and it’s just one tankie you’re arguing with. In fact all tankies arguments on Lemmy are just at argument between you and other said tankie dude on new accounts.
Damn, that dude types FAST! Reads super fast too, although his reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired 😄
ChatGPTankie
You’re right that they aren’t real communists, that’s a mask they wear to spread Kremlin and CCP propaganda.
The idea that they’re run by the US government is ridiculous, they’re full of hateful anti-Western content.
Yeah, its the stark advocating of minority rights/protection on one hand and the intense jerking off of dictators with the other that breaks my brain with Tankies
I dont know anybody on .ml, lemmygrad or hexbear who supports russia, i really dont know where the lib world people got that strawman from.
Doubt. More than likely just useful idiots.
But they’re not useful at all. Even to the cause. They just make the whole agenda seem mindless and smug.
Time for an alternate community
Babe, wake up; a new .ml wrongthink euphemism dropped
What is lemmy.ml and lemmygrad? I’m just a casual using Voyager
Instances operated by pro-Russian or pro-BRIC individuals/groups that have no interest in dissenting opinion and often spill out into the rest of the fediverse posting anti-western propaganda.
Basically, it’s flat Earth theory but for geopolitics. They believe the exact opposite of what everyone else does so they can have a tight-knit community devoted to being smugly superior to the sheeple.
That’s a good way of putting it
Hexbear falls under this umbrella, right?
I don’t believe lemmy.ml’s are pro russian, at least not in that way.
It’s not as bad as Lemmygrad but most news threads about Russia/China/Ukraine are a total shitshow over there.
even BRICS are bad now?
Instances operated by pro-Russian or pro-BRIC individuals/groups
“Everyone I Don’t Like is
HitlerAn Evil Foreigner”
Being a moderator is the only amount of power these people will ever have, and they like it, and will absolutely abuse it.
It’s not just pettiness. They’re pushing manipulation.
