Alright, fuck Republicans, I’m onboard with that.
Living wage, I’m onboard with that too.
Fuck landlords as well, I’m waay onboard with that.
How about we raise minimum wage, but also regulate the hell out of several sectors so that the wealthy don’t just consume whatever we raise it to with obscene inflation, otherwise what’s the point?
I had to scroll to the bottom to see this. This is what happens every time the wage increases. No point in increasing the wage when everyone else increases the price. Can’t agree with your statement more.
The prices are rising without a matching increase in wages. The increase in wages has no significant impact on the increase in prices.
Video evidence of a democrat voting down a minimum wage increase.
And somehow there always seems to be just enough of these “mOdErAteS” to kneecap a Democratic majority from doing what they promised when they get power.
Must be a coincidence 🤔
That’s usually how most narrow majorities work. Conspiratorial thinking doesn’t help push forward a progressive agenda.
It’s how things worked when they had a super majority too and backed off on legislating abortion rights.
The same Dem everyone dragged for being a Dem in name only almost as soon as she started voting dogshit completely contrary to what she ran on? The same Dem who literally left the party because she was never anything more than a corporate shill too corrupt even for the milquetoast neoliberals in the Democratic Party?
I would argue you need unions more. There’s no minimum wage in Iceland because we have people who negotiate it for us.
You forget that dems vote against it as well: Kyrsten Sinema, Joe Manchin, Jeanne Shaheen, Maggie Hassan, Jon Tester, Tom Carper, Chris Coons, Angus King…
You also forget that a $15/hour minimum wage isn’t even a living wage in current year and that’s what they voted against. Both sides fight for billionaires, stop deluding yourself.
Ah the DINOs. Well two are out at least.
Both sides fight for billionaires, stop deluding yourself.
Nobody’s deluding themselves. I’m pretty sure we all know full well that both sides fight for billionaires, it’s a question of degree and that degree matters. Is $15/hr more or less than $7.25/hr?
IOW, it’s a start… it’s progress. I get that the progress is frustratingly slow. But once you have $15/hr you can keep incrementing it, especially at the state level.
Is $15/hr more or less than $7.25/hr?
Considering the former ain’t fucking happening because Democrats voted with Republicans, your question is irrelevant.
Considering the former ain’t fucking happening because Democrats voted with Republicans, your question is irrelevant.
Which bill are you referring to precisely? The Raise the Wage Act of 2019 was passed by the House but not taken up by the Senate, which at the time had an R majority. The 2021 “American Rescue Plan” bill had an amendment added by Sanders to raise the FMW to $15 but this was removed because it wouldn’t have passed otherwise. An important distinction here is that a number of the 8 democrats who voted to remove the amendment were doing so so that the pandemic relief part could pass. Their various reasons are outlined here. The amendment was a bit of a hail mary that few expected to even make it for purely procedural reasons. So this was a compromise… it wasn’t saying “we democrats don’t want a FMW increase”. There are a couple of DINOs that think that, sure, but two of them are going away.
There are other options here, such as HR 603 (2021-22) which hasn’t been taken up yet. Some dems oppose this because it takes too long to get to $15/hr. But of course we need a house majority to make any progress on that.
And notably, Biden via EO raised the minimum wage for federal workers to $15/hr.
The fight isn’t over. But if anything this just underlines the need for stronger majorities. Throwing up your hands and giving in because it didn’t happen right away is, well, not helpful.
It’s always some technicality or detail that forms a se master plan. No, they voted to remove it unlike everyone else.
You don’t understand how the American political system works. Full stop.
I understand people are suffering because there are always enough votes against workers.
I understand people are suffering because there are always enough votes against workers.
This is true. But is this where your understand of the American political system begins and ends?
You don’t understand how we stop living under the whims of a broken system. By fixating these details completely divorced from the actual helping of others you are prepetuating that those details matter. You are lost and you have no idea what matters.
You don’t understand how we stop living under the whims of a broken system.
Enlighten me.
You are lost and you have no idea what matters.
No really, educate me.
The 2021 “American Rescue Plan” bill had an amendment added by Sanders to raise the FMW to $15 but this was removed because it wouldn’t have passed otherwise.
Because one unelected bureaucrat said so.
Their various reasons are outlined here.
Count the republican talking points about the minimum wage in that link.
So, honest question that comes of my own ignorance. Is a minimum wage supposed to be livable? I always figured minimum wage jobs were for people like teens who didn’t need to afford housing.
Yea so that’s the argument that people who don’t agree with making a liveable wage give. In reality there is just a great group of people who are only eligible for minimum wage or close to minimum wage jobs. So a fair bit of adults that are even trying to support their children.
So I think we can all agree that especially if 2 parents are working 40 hours a week should be able to at least live a decent life in a Western country. And that’s mainly in to question here. For teens you could always have a lower minimum wage until they’re older. As they have in plenty countries.
Does this address your question properly?
I always figured minimum wage jobs were for people like teens who didn’t need to afford housing.
Nothing in min wage law adjusts your wages based on whether or not you’re someone else’s dependent.
if you want affordable housing we need to de-commodify it and get the investors out. no more airbnb, no more one investor group owning 10s of thousands of single family homes. Dumping regular people’s money into this system, even if we give them a bunch extra, is only gonna drive prices even further up. The necessities of living are not speculation opportunities for the ultra rich.
We could raise the minimum wage if it weren’t for republicans
Most brainwashed country, I swear to god.
Are you saying Republicans aren’t obstructing any kind of legislation, including their own?
No, I’m saying it’s ridiculously dumb that people thing democrats are heroic saviors when they do the bare minimum and maintain the status quo. I’m making fun of the trend that “if it weren’t for republicans the US would be a utopia”. But thanks for the strawman I guess.
I’m making fun of the trend that “if it weren’t for republicans the US would be a utopia”.
No one is making that claim. “If it weren’t for Republicans, the Democrats could pass useful legislation” is absolutely the case.
But thanks for the strawman I guess.
You say this immediately after using a straw man…
Lot of dems voted against it too
Do you consider 7 out of 48 Dems to be a lot? Versus every single republican?
What percentage of Sanders supporters do you imagine voted for Trump?
Do you suppose it’s higher than the percentage of Democrats in the Senate who were willing to go on record as hating workers by voting to kill the minimum wage increase?
Because Sanders supporters are still catching shit for the loss Clinton earned, regardless of who they actually voted for in 2016.
If we’re expected to vote like the party wants, why aren’t legislators?
Nice whataboutism.
I suppose it makes little sense to you that I was comparing centrists not getting what they want (Clinton’s coronation) to centrists getting exactly what they all want (no increase to the minimum wage.).
There’s also an argument to be made for building better cities and more affordable housing (both more affordable and more of it), as well as building a society where you don’t have to buy a car to participate. Life could be a lot more affordable if we didn’t arrange our policies to make it so expensive.
Except the Dems have controlled the house, Senate and Presidency since 2009…
I mean. 2021-2023 Biden had House and Senate majorities…
Did I miss something?
Was it that as soon as we had a majority just enough Dems said they wouldn’t vote with the party? And then party leaders saying “welp, trying would be pointless”?
Is that what I missed?
Don’t get me wrong, it should work the way your meme makes it sound. But unfortunately the rich bought out both parties awhile ago.
It’s why Biden and the DNC have their PAC, the Biden Victory Fund, that coordinates directly with the candidate and party, and you can give up to a million!
Like fucking clockwork. Goddamn you’re so predictable.
There’s a reason the right have earned the label of the poorly educated. This guy doesn’t realize a simple majority in the senate isn’t enough to move legislation.
It’s covered endless in the political news cycles but morons cannot retain the information and spout the most banal nonsense as if they’re uncovering some grand conspiracy that they aline have discovered.
If such people could feel shame they would still spread their bullshit because they don’t realize how far down left side of intelligence the curve they are.
It would be entertaining if they weren’t voters.
This guy doesn’t realize a simple majority in the senate isn’t enough to move legislation.
Democrats could have changed that any time they had control of the Senate with a simple majority vote.
They chose not to.
except democrats dont care either
start building a new system now.
We don’t have a minimum wage in Sweden. Wages are mostly dictated by negotiations between employers and unions.
Unions are important.
thats also the reason the ones in power hate them so much!
unions are definetly part of the solution.
Yeah. We have an ongoing thing between Tesla and IF Metall, with a bunch of other unions backing them up. Tesla refuses to sign collective labour agreements, and they’re penalising strikers by taking away stocks they’ve earned. It’s hardly surprising that Tesla doesn’t want to adhere to the Swedish model.
if they dont want to attend to the workers demands in sweden they can get fucked.
you’re gonna wanna skip the polls and start buying arms now if that’s your plan
Imagine my surprise when the election comes and goes, one way or another, and these online revolutionaries continue to do… nothing of substance. Just like 4 years ago, and the 4 years before that, and…
see the university protests and unionization if you want an example in the us. we are organizing protests and actions, but doing systemic change is a collective endeavour.
we actually need much more people to recognize its broken and be willing to help. that wont happen if all you do is begrudingly accept the progressively worsening lesser evils.
i cant do that by myself. the rest of the people has to recognize the system is broken too.
You also can’t do it if the backslide into full totalitarian fascism reaches the “first they came for the socialists” line in the poem.
totalitarian fascism is already there, the crackdowns on the university protests are looking a lot like it. violence towards the protesters, a pat on the head on the fascist counterprotesters.
and honestly its looking a lot like trump will win anyway, at least that is what the polls are looking like.
we should be bracing for impact.
edit: how could i forget the treatment the us gives to the third world.
totalitarian fascism is already there
Fucking lmao
If there’s no corresponding regulation on rent prices, minimum wage is irrelevant.
Raise the minimum wage to a bazillion dollars? Great! Rent is now three hundred bajillion!
Raise the minimum wage to $25/hr, tie it to inflation… Use the $67billion a year spent on section 8 housing to build people houses which they end up owning, instead of shoveling all that money into slumlords’ pockets. Flood the housing market with supply to keep the prices down, even as people are able to afford more.
Raise the minimum wage to $25/hr, tie it to inflation…
I fully believe this would cause runaway inflation as wages only went up and up as the majority of americans have more money and thus prices can be raised. This cycle would constantly repeat as raised prices cause a raise in wage until the american dollar is worthless and we’re all making millions or billions of dollars a year which adjusted to inflation… is like today’s $15/hr. Interest rates for loans would skyrocket to an unfathomable percentage as double digit inflation remains y/y.
The billionaires would quickly turn into trillionaires and quadrillionaires as their investments rise in price proportional to inflation.
Inflation is happening anyway… Prices keep going up and up regardless of whether pay increases enough for people to afford them
Which is why when Dems had their supermajority they passed a raise to minimum wage.
They codified Roe v Wade too, because it’s just Republicans that were after that.
Which is why when Dems had their supermajority they passed a raise to minimum wage.
Do you remember what they did with that ~70 days they had to pass legislation? Affordable Care Act? Let’s not act like they don’t pass shit when we give them the legislative ability to do so. 51-49 that includes people like Sinema and Manchin is not a majority.
The vast majority of elected Democrats support and vote for raises to the minimum wage and codifying Roe. 100% of elected Republicans oppose those things, and it’s the Democrats that are failing us?
Oh, they passed the Affordable Care Act?
Healthcare is SO available and affordable now, huh?
Then you come in and say “but it wasn’t even a real supermajority!”… that supermajority. Not even realizing you are saying even with a supermajority, there isn’t one, because it’s all the same muddle.
It must be exhausting for you to still shill that hard.
Register independent. Vote third party. It’s our only hope to end Party Fascism.
Bro do you remember what it was like before the ACA? I’m not saying it’s good now but I think you are showing a pretty stark lack of awareness for what it used to be like.
Yes.
I could afford food and shelter.
And when I had employment based health insurance, I could afford the co-pay.
None of the 3 are true today.
You could afford shelter…during the 2008 housing driven financial crisis? Everyone could afford shelter…until the system collapsed. That was kind of the whole problem. I fail to see how the ACA being passed caused your housing and food prices to go up.
Glad that you had employment based insurance. Before the ACA if you didn’t have insurance through your employer and you had conditions you were just fucked. They could deny your coverage. I guess you forgot about that?
Insurance is fucked because we’re finally paying the cost of care, rates and prices are fucked and broken across the board, and the insurance companies are savage vultures. None of that is BECAUSE of the ACA. It was all true before the ACA and is true now. The difference is millions more people have healthcare coverage.
So the ACA was a half measured failure of a waste of time.
Yes.
That was part of the point I was making.
Dems decided to do that instead of passing actual universal Healthcare, or minimum wage, or modifying Roe v Wade. Or addressing the rising cost of rent/mortgage. Or do ANYTHING of value.
That is the point I am making.
So the ACA was a half measured failure of a waste of time.
God forbid anything help anyone if it’s not perfect. What a privileged fucking outlook on life. Some of us have to live here, yeah?
But, but joe biden and i dont agree on everything!
We better elect a fascist instead just to make sure.
When the minimum wage is not livable, you subsidize their employers with your taxes.
It’s not the minimum wage people should get. It’s the minimum we’ll accept
And “blue no matter who” means we accept people who think it doesn’t need raised
The alternative to not voting blue in general elections is not socialism, it’s republicans.
No it’s not, it’s taking control of the party back from the people that only care about donors.
It’s a private organization, but they haven’t always had the keys, it’s like a HOA.
When it’s good, no one cares who’s in charge, so shitty people sneak in.
The shitty people make things shitty, people accept it because the shits stacks up slowly.
Then one day they’re tired of it, and they have to wait till the next HOA board vote to replace them.
It’s not as easy to replace the people leading the DNC, but it’s doable.
So if 3rd party is something you think can’t happen, are you working on fixing your own party? Are you fighting to replace them?
Do you know any of their names without googling?
You seem to be getting down voted a lot for this comment, but I absolutely agree. The long term solution is to fix the DNC by replacing the corporate schills with progressives. In a city in NH in 2016 we were able to completely replace the local Democratic party with our people. It’s not even that hard, like 50 people vote in those elections.
Everyone should find out who runs their local and state Dems, and start working to replace them if they are garbage. Once the local and state chapters are taken over it won’t be hard to take the DNC
Except the party wants as little turnout as possible in the general
It’s why they started saying Biden was the winner a good 5 months before the convention and only a handful.of.primaties had happened.
Its why the stole NH’ delegates for voting progressive.
If people could show up and say who they want for president, then theyd vote down ballot tok.
The Dem party isn’t for us, it’s to take advantage of us
But it wasn’t always, and doesn’t have to keep being that way.
But I’m barely old enough to remember when it wasn’t
They certainly only want people who are going to vote for them to turn up.
I’m not sure what you mean by stole NH delegates.
I wish more people would vote down ballot. Rs almost always vote top to bottom of the ticket, Ds tend to only vote for names they’ve heard of. That’s why Republicans have taken control of so much local government. Democrats need to win the presidential race by a huge margin for enough of it to trickle down to local stuff.
Yes, the current DNC is there to work for the rich, just like the RNC. If we took over the party though, we could make it do whatever we wanted.
I’m not sure what you mean by stole NH delegates.
…
When the party took away NHs say in the Dem primary for something only their Republican state government can control.
I mean. Technically NH Dems could violated state law to keep the DNC happy like they asked, are you saying that’s what they should have done?
Because the most common sense explanation is they were made NH kept rejecting moderates like Clinton and Biden.
If we took over the party though, we could make it do whatever we wanted.
Which is what I’m saying to do, and if you haven’t noticed, the more we vote “blue no matter who” the more conservative candidates we get.
Because the DNC thinks anything left of republicans have to vote for them. From that misguided assumption. The party keeps moving right
It’s not working, it’s never worked, and to keep trying it would be fucking insanity.
Yet here we are.
If we are really willing to sacrifice anything to stop trump, why won’t Joe Biden and the DNC sacrifice anything they want?
Why do millions and millions of voters have to vote for someone they don’t want? Why can’t we run someone that agrees with the party platform and will work towards?
The party isn’t the important part, voters are. No matter how much either party tells you differently.
A general election is still about votes
If your idea of taking the party back is “voting independent in the general” I think you have absolutely no idea how elections and parties work. You’re throwing your vote away. You wanna change the party? Run in or work for local elections. Build from the bottom up, not the top down.
Or just whine and throw your vote away.
Or just whine and throw your vote away.
What is hard to understand about this?
The way to get the most votes is a younger progressive candidate.
How is saying the party should get as much votes as possible “whining”?
Is it because a younger progressive candidate isn’t who you want?
Tough shit
40% of the electorate is gen Z or Millenials.
And the majority of over 45 wants trump
You’re arguing against doing what the bulk of the Dem party wants, but some how I’m the one whining for wanting better than a coin flip chance to deal with trump anymore?
What the fuck is the logic you’re using for this shit?
No it’s because voting for a progressive third party candidate in the general election for federal office
- doesn’t work
- benefits republicans
- is the prevailing wisdom of people like you
It’s mastubatory whining. You get to claim that anyone who cares about actual outcomes is somehow less pure than you while you are absolved of any of the responsibilities of your vote. You wanna pretend voting third party for president helps? Bully for you. It fucking doesn’t help progressives, it helped Trump get elected and it will do it again.
You get to claim that anyone who cares about actual outcomes is somehow less pure than you
That’s not the discussion.
The discussion is a younger more progressive candidate is what the base wants, so why aren’t we giving it to them?
40% of this electorate is either Gen Z or Millenial.
And over 45 years old is going to trump.
So why isn’t the DNC going after all those voters so that we can beat Trump?
Stop thinking about if you’re right and how people under 40 are “whining” and start thinking about the best way to beat Trump:
Running a popular candidate. Whether that means Biden starts listening to his voters and becomes more popular, or running someone less than 20 years over retirement age.
I just don’t understand the logic of:
This demographic wants progress, but fuck em we control the party so they have to vote for us. It would be crazy for us to give them what they want and guarantee victory. So we’ll call them babies and blame them when our unpopular candidates loses.
If moderates are the “adults in the room” why are they the ones who won’t entertain the idea of voting for something a little different they want if it guarantees victory?
Why not just do that?
Wouldn’t raising minimal wage just raise prices higher without dealing with the underlying problems?
Prices are already getting higher, and we don’t have other solutions.
In Australia, minimum wage is quite high and so are the costs of many goods, but things like Amazon and flight tickets are much cheaper comparatively
That doesn’t answer my question. Prices might be high, but when you just give people more money, they will grow higher. Why wouldn’t they?
That’s just greed. They’re doing that already. Prices right now are crazy high, BUT guess what else is? PROFITS. Record profits everywhere. That shit should be illegal.
Are the record profits still record after being adjusted for inflation?
Money is worth less now than it was this time last year.
Let’s say a profit of $1000 last year is equivalent to a profit of $1200 this year.
Have you made $200 more this year? Well, technically yes but it doesn’t quite have the same purchasing power as it would have if you made it last year instead
Yes, record profits after inflation. Don’t simp for the corporations, they don’t give a fuck about you. They’d rather see you die than give you a penny.
