Please note that the official title of the article is:
Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner chief presumed dead after Russia plane crash.
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Wow, I’ve been browsing Twitter, Reddit and Lemmy for the past few hours. I’m surprised to see such breaking news first in Lemmy instead of Twitter or Reddit.
Awesome! Hope the Fidiverse keeps on growing to become bigger than Reddit and Twitter.
Look at me
Lemmy is the frontpage of the internet now
Damn right it is!
Reddit hot sorts more by popular, so things take a long time to rise up.
Lemmy hot seems to be (too much) biased to new. Can be a bad thing because it looks like things don’t get popular. They do but you don’t see it by hot, you see it by top 12 hour.
Early 2010s Reddit was so addicting, if there was something in the world it was on the front page in 15 minutes. I remember being excited to check on Reddit after waking up to see that was the event of the day.
After 2016 the algo was screwed up and it became a cesspool of reposts and news were late to show up.
I think the algorithm for Lemmy’s hot sorting is just based on interactions within time unit. The newer the post, the more valuable an upvote is.
Lemmy “hot” seems to function a lot like reddit’s “rising”
The one thing current Reddit seems to do right is give smaller subreddits a chance to show up on Hot. Lemmy tends to be a little too simple, and the frontpage gets dominated by the one or two big groups.
Yeah, I’m pretty happy with the sorting algorithm in general for the way content gets presented, but some weighting to better include smaller communities would be great. Lemmy is still struggling with getting a critical mass in users to support niche interests, and a better post sorting could help a bit at least.
On Reddit you want to sort by “Rising” for this sort of breaking news stuff.
Now I learn this, 2 months after tossing that platform in the bin.
After years of wondering where the hell the breaking news went…
Yesterday i switched to active for a while, because hot was almost identical to new.
No problem, let’s have Hot 1 and Hot 2!
Hot 1 is Hot
Hot 2 is Top 6 hours
At least how I use it.
We’re missing “most comments in the last <time>”</time>
The Future is Federated.
old man
I saw it first on YouTube and got really mad about that
I think it’s only a matter of time. The enshitification of reddit is guaranteed, it’s really inevitable and it’s going to keep getting worse. Long live the Fediverse!
Lotta windows in airplanes.
Tragically the plane crashed into a surface to air missile.
Edit: yeah, this is actually what happened, no subtlety here, damn.
Like, fucking literally.
“Crash” my ass, BBC, you say it got shot down in the article, how is that not a more accurate and sensational headline?
“Prigozhin got blown the fuck up, like everyone knew he would the moment he pussed out, the Nazi coward.”
He needed to take Moscow, only chance he had to survive.
Technically, they just say that a Wagner linked Telegram channel said it got shot down. They’re probably waiting for better proof/additional sources before they take the full step of saying it was shot down themselves (at which point I think it’d get added to the headline).
Because the only source for that (at present) is the Wagner Group, who have a (dead) dog in the fight and are not bastions of truth. NYT will be trying to confirm it before saying so.
Do they have a dog in this? Last I heard they were getting executed in the field if they showed support for the coup.
Well, it did definitely crash at the end.
So he fell out of a window created by a surface to air missile.
more windows are reserved only for stauncher enemies.
I’m honestly surprised that he lasted this long
I feel like when the attempted coup fizzled out there was a Russia expert who predicted he’s be dead within 90 days. Sounds like that guy was right.
Honestly didn’t need to be a expert on Russia to predict that
No kidding, literally everyone figured he’d be dead soon. Not sure how he didn’t realize that.
“Person vaguely aware of how Russia works predicts Prigozhin will be dead in 90 days”. That headline doesn’t have quite the same ring to it.
Weirdly enough, it’s exactly two months between the mutiny and his death. Interestingly enough, the invasion started on 24th as well. Weird.
One of the cardinal rules of power struggles is “If you’re gonna shoot for the king, don’t miss.”
Man didn’t even miss, he just got scared halfway through
From what I gather, he backed down because all his top men’s families were being threatened. Prigozhin’s family was kept safe, of course, but I don’t think they expected Russia to threaten the families of those further down the ladder.
This all just makes him seem naive and unprepared for the position he was in.
I have a theory.
I think the Slavic Russian Nazi a total dictator let run a private army might have been a little dumb.
It was just a prank, bro!
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Furthermore,
Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies
-- Machiavelli in the Prince
Not to call out Putin’s Russia for being amateur hour, but the Prince is probably the first thing to read for an aspiring dictator.
Wait, I’m listening to The Prince in audiobook form. Does that mean I’m an aspiring dictator?
Well, if you are, there might be a job opening in Russia for you soon!
He just stopped. It was the most bizarre coup attempt, really.
I mean he had to know, right? With guys like Putin if you go hot, you either kill him or he has you killed. There is no in-between. His entire image relies on that. Maybe they had Prigozhin’s family or something?
It might be that he was counting on the support of one or more Generals. That fizzled at the last minute, and then he didn’t know what to do.
When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.
“When you play the game of thrones, you win, or you die. There is no middle ground.”
The guy wasn’t stupid. He knew going against Putin meant death if he failed. At some point during his attempted coup, he realised it wasn’t going to work and was faced with a choice: die now, or “back down” to scheme his way out of an almost certain death later. Turns out he couldn’t. ¯\_༼ •́ ͜ʖ •̀ ༽_/¯ Oh well, nothing of value was lost.
I have nothing to add to your comment other than the fact that your text person clearly has a large nose and I think that’s a stylistic choice and I appreciate that as someone who also has a large nose.
Oh, and fuck Putin.
I also don’t have anything to add other than that I really appreciate comments who pay respects to details of other comments. I don’t know, just makes me happy, so thank you for that!
Oh, and fuck this fucking asshole named Putin, may he die a painful and slow death.
consider yourself rewarded for that comment … thx for the smile
I’m not sure he couldn’t have done it if he’d kept driving into Moscow. The defenses of the city were just in shambles. Almost as bad as Denmark in 1940.
However, having tucked tail he should have known better than to come back.
Now there are rumors that Wagner would stage a second coup attempt if the deaths were confirmed (which they are now).
That would be a complete suicide mission now. 2500%.
Still, interesting times.
Yeah, there’s pretty much no chance with the leaders dead, their camp far from Moscow, no surprise factor, and the potential allies like Surovikin pushed from power. It seems like Putin has completely outplayed them.
At some point during his attempted coup, he realised it wasn’t going to work
When was that, exactly? Putin fled, reserve forces were standing by and not fighting Wagner, and he was a day out from an undefended Moscow. Worst case scenario was a protracted civil war, but he still would’ve lived longer than this.
Honestly, none of this makes sense. The fact that he aborted in the first place makes the idea that he was conspiring with Putin the whole time to flush out disloyal elements within the Russian armed forces seem credible… but then why kill him after? I’m not ruling out the possibility that either this was a genuine accident, or it was another false flag and he and his second in command just faked their own deaths.
Couldn’t he go hide in like Central America or something? Though I suppose Russian intelligence would still find him and get to him.
Maybe he could hide on the South Pole of the moon.
Who’s to say he didn’t?
Pretty sure Russians are the only ones investigating, and we all know how much they can be trusted.
reportedly he was going back from some african country that day. he also could stay in belarus, but he chose to go back to moscow
Damn I was hoping he would be able to cause more chaos inside Russia before Putin had him killed.
Hey Putin! I heard Trump talking shit about you.
The whole Western political apperatus has been saying Putin doesn’t have the guts to release any of the compromat he holds on them and that he needs them more than they need him.
To think he avoided drinking polonium tea and falling out of a window and self inflicted gunshot wound to the head for all this time just to die in a freak tragic accident.
Reports are that Moscow’s anti-air fired on the jet… “accidentally.”
Really? Got a source for that?
I haven’t reviewed the veracity myself, I never do until the dust settles. It’s usually a waste of time unless you’re directly impacted.
Kinda seems like they threw the whole plane out the window of the plane.
*self-inflicted gunshot to the back of his head
I love how anyone who is against Putin always gets into “accidents”
Right, definitely a total “accident” How very sad, comrade. If only the pilot had checked for leaking oil lines on the motors before takeoff…
He also avoided Novice. Lucky him.
I wonder if there is a correlation between drop height and importance of the persons he’s killing.
Oh that’s why I fell over my kids’ toys. I’m unimportant but it WAS Putin!
dude, wtf? That literally happened to me today. I was bringing my kid a bowl of strawberries when I stepped right on top of a little toy house. Me on the floor. Strawberries all over the place. And all my kid could say was “wow, that was scary,” and then went back to playing. Savage.
Your kid is metal af
4 year olds, man. They’re ruthless.
Great, so we already have two data points now!
time to interpolate
EXPONENTIAL
Insert “I like to extrapolate” meme here
would that mean your child is a Russian spy?
Not spy necessarily, but ruthless tool of the Russian system.
it’s cause your kids ain’t putin their toys away
From time to time people like to try to bring levity and light to their lives by telling jokes. These jokes can make people smile or laugh and are generally considered as a good thing to make peoples lives better and more bearable.
I hope that helps.
yes, i know, i was doing that. i know how to spell “putting.”
omfglol, do I have egg on my face now
I thought you were autistic and my reply was indeed an attempt at spelling it out for a fellow autiste
fair enough lol no worries
Here’s hoping he had a dead man’s switch that releases tons of kompromat.
Well, Navalny didn’t fall, but Putin attemped to poison him
He didn’t want to birth a martyr
World’s most expected accident victim.
I’m surprised anybody was getting in vehicles with him after the coup attempt.
I know right? Wtf??? I wouldn’t want to be caught dead within 50 square miles of this guy after his coup attempt.
and caught dead, they were
but his tea is amazing. it’s quite hot.
Thank you for flying Prigozihn Airlines. We know you have a choice in airline, and today you chose the wrong one.
Epstein levels of expectation.
I’m so shocked right now. He didn’t fall out of a window?
I mean it’s pretty similar to a really high window
The plane crashed after jumping out of a window.
They are getting more creative…
Everyone was seated next to a window
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He survived the crash, and on the way to the hospital he fell out of a window.
How do you know the plane didn’t have a nice window on it?
Plot twist: the stewardess had a parachute, “fell” out window after hearing “red team go”.
Damn that’s a high quality image
Kind of interesting to note how the United States deals with an attempted coup versus Russia.
Perhaps we should take notes
I mean, everyone deserves due process, but the constitution does seem to provide for executing traitors.
Everyone does not deserve due process.
Every cent spent persecuting a guy like prigozhin could be better spent improving society in a multitude of ways.
Can we find a medium place?
I’d settle for a good ole-fashion court appointed hanging.
I think we all saw this coming.
Not me, I thought he was going to be overtaken with remorse and bludgeon himself to death from behind in a tragic suicide.
After shooting himself in the back of the head twice, then jumping out the window.
Wtf was he thinking, flying back into Russia after being given an out? 😂
did he ever get out of Russia though?
Welcome to Hotel Russia-onia, you can check out but you can never leave.
Wasn’t he in Belarus recently, threatening to take a large contingent of the Wagner group to “sightsee” in Poland?
he was coming back from africa that day, day before he released a video yelling about something in sahel
before that, after mutiny he was effectively exiled to belarus
The exile was a lie. He constantly flew back and forth, and even attended a summit hosted by Putin.
Where else could he be? The West wouldn’t let him cross, while any ally of Russia would cooperate with Putin. Not that it even has to be an ally after all the assassinations in Europe.
He has more than enough money to escape to south america and never be heard from again.
South American countries are on good terms with Putin, being some of the few that let any Russian enter visa-free. Taking him out would be almost as easy in those countries.
South America is a big place with lots of nooks and crannies and different cultures to hide in and blend with.
I’m sure someone as wealthy as Prigo could’ve lived a very modest lifestyle without ever having to work again and staying incognito for the rest of his days in South America. If South America is really too dangerous (it isn’t) then he also has Asia. There are so many options for rich people it’s insane.
Hey what is the last thing that went thru his mind?
Metal.
Jetfuel
