Before anyone tries to claim polls show they wouldn’t do better than Biden against Trump let me remind people that this is without them having the endorsement of the dnc or the inevitable viral media attention they’d receive from endorsements from Obama or Biden himself. They’d surge overnight.
You know who isn’t surging? Biden. He’s been steadily declining in every single data-point, and the debate didn’t help.
So you know what 70% of voters have a problem with? How old the two current candidates are.
Give them what they want. Give Americans new exciting shit to vote for. This is the country that watches the Kardashians and American Idol for christ sake.
Maybe. On the other hand, changing out your candidate after one debate doesn’t inspire much confidence. And you lose the advantage a sitting president usually has in elections.
A new candidate might indeed do better, but the DNC is risk averse as hell. I don’t see them having the balls to make a move like this.
If it was about a poor debate performance akin to Obama vs Romney debate 1 I’d be inclined to agree.
The problem is this wasn’t really about the debate. It was about revealing to the country Biden’s clear senility problems, which at 81, won’t get better but certainly get worse.
And second to that: If Biden was 10 points ahead in the polls I’d also say okay maybe we just ride this out.
But he’s not. In fact relative to 2020 he’s been 10 pts behind pre-Debate. Losing in every battleground state as well.
To me I see the car crash happening up ahead and want to jump while we still have time.
Sadly I agree with your final comment. Today at Camp David was the day Biden could back out if his closest advisors and family pulled him aside. But they’re encouraging him to keep going.
He could be a bowl of jelly and it wouldn’t make a difference. He’s just the head of the Executive branch, where his job is pretty much signing/vetoing bills, hiring cabinet members, and nominating judges (with advice from said cabinet members). The alternative is a Nazi supported by the lines of the swastika-waving Nazis seen in Florida.
Nope. That’s Denying the Correlative. In the general election, there are two choices of statistical significance, supporting the DNC candidate, or supporting the RNC candidate. The Right is consistent in voting and wins when there is lower turnout for the DNC candidate (they are a minority). Third parties are spoilers, generally bleeding votes from the DNC candidate, making it more likely that the RNC candidate wins.
The Democratic primary ended in early June. That was the time to get Robin in. Now, it’s too late for that and the choice is between Alfred, who should be retired, and the Joker, who should be retired and wants to replace democracy with a dictatorship, put anyone who was mean to him in prison, and expand ongoing genocides where he thinks that he can profit off of the real estate that used to belong to the murdered inhabitants.
Whoa, whoa, whoa… Who said anything about third-party?
The nominee isn’t official until the convention, which means we still have time. And I ask: what would happen between then and November should Biden suffer a fatal medical emergency or his condition get so worse it’s impossible to hide? Democrats would, of course, find a way to put someone else on the ticket.
So let’s not pretend it’s impossible or that the ship has sailed, for it has not.
If we actually grow a fucking backbone and realize that Biden:
Is performing WORSE in EVERY WAY compared to his 2020 run (where he eeked by with 40,000 votes)
Is performing WORSE than Hillary Clinton’s loss in 2016.
70% of the electorate BEFORE the catastrophic debate seen by 50 million people thought Biden was too old
64% of independents POST-debate say they want Biden replaced on the ballot.
… And let’s acknowledge that we need to take a chance at an open convention or face a guaranteed loss.
I think the third party is a valid thing to keep in mind. The Republicans are a bit more “ends justify the means”, which translates to not letting themselves get distracted by “perfect is the enemy of the good”. So they might even prefer a third party, but they are less likely to because they tend to be a bit more coldly strategic in their voting.
With respect to they can ignore the results of the primary vote… but that’s exactly the sort of thing that people accussed them of when they put Hilary Clinton up as their candidate. So the right can tear into them for ‘coronating’ their candidate instead of doing an election.
While they can put up someone else, it would be a pretty desperate act, and it’s hard to know which bad option is the worst of the options.
Fair points but I don’t personally put much weight in the perception of what Republicans might say about a coronation for a couple reasons:
All of us on the Democratic side just want Trump to lose.
Anyone who voted for Joe Biden will vote for anyone under the Democratic ticket.
Especially when Joe Biden, himself, endorses that candidate. It’s little different than letting Joe pick his own Vice President. It’s kind of like a transitive extension of one’s vote.
and it’s hard to know which bad option is the worst of the options.
And this is the thing that I’m 100% convinced of by this point, personally. I see not just little hope, but no hope for Biden winning at this stage. As I tried my best to convey, Biden is performing significantly worse compared to 2020 and even Hillary’s failed run. There’s kind of a diminishing-returns argument to be made at this point that the vast electorate knows both Trump and Biden through & through. There’s nothing new they’re going to realize that they don’t already know. So to move poll numbers now is next to impossible; and with that, the polls are going in the wrong direction for Biden, and the full effect of the debate hasn’t even set in.
So what does one do? Well between riding out the inevitable crash, I think we take the chance with another way. But we won’t do that by the looks of it. And I will bet large sums of money that Biden loses, unfortunately.
Whoa, whoa, whoa… Who said anything about third-party?
Oh thank fuck.
I thought Biden was too old and too right-wing in 2020.
… And let’s acknowledge that we need to take a chance at an open convention or face a guaranteed loss.
The only problems that I see with an open convention are candidate name recognition for those who pay no attention and the fact that GOP states have already been trying fuckery with the ballots.
You know the state ballot argument is a risk I hadn’t considered. I honestly don’t know enough to say how they could impact but it’s worth further consideration.
I think there would be a media frenzy if you saw a headline like, “BREAKING NEWS: PRESIDENT BIDEN RESIGNS; ENDORSES GRETCHEN WHITMER.” After which there would be viral social media and millions googling, “who is Whitmer?” Hopefully the conclusion they have is, “well she’s a fresh face and she’s younger than the other guy.”
I agree with you there. The ballots and irrational voters are still my greatest concern. There were attempts to block Biden from the ballot in swing states because of the DNC convention being later than the state deadline. Look to any avenue open to electoral fraud being taken advantage of.
The false dichotomy fallacy here is that we don’t have to choose either. There is still time to pick Robin. Younger; more charismatic; still moral.
show me robin.
Whitmer. Shapiro. Newsom, even.
Before anyone tries to claim polls show they wouldn’t do better than Biden against Trump let me remind people that this is without them having the endorsement of the dnc or the inevitable viral media attention they’d receive from endorsements from Obama or Biden himself. They’d surge overnight.
You know who isn’t surging? Biden. He’s been steadily declining in every single data-point, and the debate didn’t help.
So you know what 70% of voters have a problem with? How old the two current candidates are.
Give them what they want. Give Americans new exciting shit to vote for. This is the country that watches the Kardashians and American Idol for christ sake.
Maybe. On the other hand, changing out your candidate after one debate doesn’t inspire much confidence. And you lose the advantage a sitting president usually has in elections.
A new candidate might indeed do better, but the DNC is risk averse as hell. I don’t see them having the balls to make a move like this.
If it was about a poor debate performance akin to Obama vs Romney debate 1 I’d be inclined to agree.
The problem is this wasn’t really about the debate. It was about revealing to the country Biden’s clear senility problems, which at 81, won’t get better but certainly get worse.
And second to that: If Biden was 10 points ahead in the polls I’d also say okay maybe we just ride this out.
But he’s not. In fact relative to 2020 he’s been 10 pts behind pre-Debate. Losing in every battleground state as well.
To me I see the car crash happening up ahead and want to jump while we still have time.
Sadly I agree with your final comment. Today at Camp David was the day Biden could back out if his closest advisors and family pulled him aside. But they’re encouraging him to keep going.
You know what inspires even less confidence? Biden.
The track record of the Biden administration is solid. Why should that change?
Because Biden isn’t solid.
He could be a bowl of jelly and it wouldn’t make a difference. He’s just the head of the Executive branch, where his job is pretty much signing/vetoing bills, hiring cabinet members, and nominating judges (with advice from said cabinet members). The alternative is a Nazi supported by the lines of the swastika-waving Nazis seen in Florida.
i love bernie but he’s not an option
Only establishment israel dems are an option right?
I remember democrats saying bernie was inelectable. Where is that “he is unelectable” energy now that biden is unelectable?
We absolutely cannot trust the DNC to not make the same mistake they made in 2016. But you are not wrong
I think you mean Nightwing.
Raven for President!
Nope. That’s Denying the Correlative. In the general election, there are two choices of statistical significance, supporting the DNC candidate, or supporting the RNC candidate. The Right is consistent in voting and wins when there is lower turnout for the DNC candidate (they are a minority). Third parties are spoilers, generally bleeding votes from the DNC candidate, making it more likely that the RNC candidate wins.
The Democratic primary ended in early June. That was the time to get Robin in. Now, it’s too late for that and the choice is between Alfred, who should be retired, and the Joker, who should be retired and wants to replace democracy with a dictatorship, put anyone who was mean to him in prison, and expand ongoing genocides where he thinks that he can profit off of the real estate that used to belong to the murdered inhabitants.
Whoa, whoa, whoa… Who said anything about third-party?
The nominee isn’t official until the convention, which means we still have time. And I ask: what would happen between then and November should Biden suffer a fatal medical emergency or his condition get so worse it’s impossible to hide? Democrats would, of course, find a way to put someone else on the ticket.
So let’s not pretend it’s impossible or that the ship has sailed, for it has not.
If we actually grow a fucking backbone and realize that Biden:
… And let’s acknowledge that we need to take a chance at an open convention or face a guaranteed loss.
I think the third party is a valid thing to keep in mind. The Republicans are a bit more “ends justify the means”, which translates to not letting themselves get distracted by “perfect is the enemy of the good”. So they might even prefer a third party, but they are less likely to because they tend to be a bit more coldly strategic in their voting.
With respect to they can ignore the results of the primary vote… but that’s exactly the sort of thing that people accussed them of when they put Hilary Clinton up as their candidate. So the right can tear into them for ‘coronating’ their candidate instead of doing an election.
While they can put up someone else, it would be a pretty desperate act, and it’s hard to know which bad option is the worst of the options.
Fair points but I don’t personally put much weight in the perception of what Republicans might say about a coronation for a couple reasons:
And this is the thing that I’m 100% convinced of by this point, personally. I see not just little hope, but no hope for Biden winning at this stage. As I tried my best to convey, Biden is performing significantly worse compared to 2020 and even Hillary’s failed run. There’s kind of a diminishing-returns argument to be made at this point that the vast electorate knows both Trump and Biden through & through. There’s nothing new they’re going to realize that they don’t already know. So to move poll numbers now is next to impossible; and with that, the polls are going in the wrong direction for Biden, and the full effect of the debate hasn’t even set in.
So what does one do? Well between riding out the inevitable crash, I think we take the chance with another way. But we won’t do that by the looks of it. And I will bet large sums of money that Biden loses, unfortunately.
Oh thank fuck.
I thought Biden was too old and too right-wing in 2020.
The only problems that I see with an open convention are candidate name recognition for those who pay no attention and the fact that GOP states have already been trying fuckery with the ballots.
You know the state ballot argument is a risk I hadn’t considered. I honestly don’t know enough to say how they could impact but it’s worth further consideration.
I think there would be a media frenzy if you saw a headline like, “BREAKING NEWS: PRESIDENT BIDEN RESIGNS; ENDORSES GRETCHEN WHITMER.” After which there would be viral social media and millions googling, “who is Whitmer?” Hopefully the conclusion they have is, “well she’s a fresh face and she’s younger than the other guy.”
I agree with you there. The ballots and irrational voters are still my greatest concern. There were attempts to block Biden from the ballot in swing states because of the DNC convention being later than the state deadline. Look to any avenue open to electoral fraud being taken advantage of.
…who you also went vote for because "both sides*.
And who is Robin in this example?
John Stewart
The same Jon Stewart who has repeatedly expressed a strong desire never to go into politics?
Yep sounds like Robin
Cool, so we’re just going to make believe.
LOL. Uh huh. Sure bud.