• YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub
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    4 months ago

    This is extremely compelling. Let’s get the world’s billionaires and the six conservatives on the US Supreme Court to investigate it in an amateur built submarine. Rich people love the titanic and lack of regulations.

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    Apparently there is a Wikipedia page dedicated to Titanic Conspiracy theories, who knew!

    In regards to swapping the Olympic with the Titanic, this section summarizes:

    British historian Gareth Russell, for his part, calls the theory “so painfully ridiculous that one can only lament the thousands of trees which lost their lives to provide the paper on which it has been articulated.” He notes that, “since the sister ships had significant interior architectural and design differences, switching them secretly in a week would be nearly impossible from a practical standpoint. A switch would also not be economically worthwhile, since the ship’s owners could have simply damaged the ship while docked (for instance, by setting a fire) and collected the insurance money from that ‘accident’, which would have been far less severe, and infinitely less stupid, than sailing her out into the middle of the Atlantic with thousands of people, and their luggage, on board, and ramming her into an iceberg”.

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      But like…why the fuck would it even matter? The story is exactly the same, the only different thing is the name of the ship. And if their theory is that they only sunk it for insurance money…like, what were the people in charge of sailing the thing into an iceberg getting out of this except death? What a dumb thing to spend your time being up in arms over.

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        I believe the “plan” was to sink her slowly by letting some water in, then have the “safest” at sea disaster by calling for help with enough time for nearby vessels to assist. The theory then goes on to claim that hitting the iceberg was an accident that only happened because they couldn’t steer around it fast enough due to the water they had already taken on.

        Can’t remember where I read this it, might have been the Wikipedia article about the conspiracy theory.

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          They obviously miscalculated the trajectory around the iceberg because they were using the round Earth model.

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    4 months ago

    JP Morgan bankroll actual ecocide and genocide but people still make up fancifiul stories instead of being mad about the real world murder they fund

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    I mean, having either White Star Line or J.P. Morgan involved in insurance scams is rather believable … every good conspiracy needs a grain of truth …

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    My theory is that the Titanic actually is the long lost Ship of Theseus, just with all the parts replaced hundreds of times.

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    this is a great theory because while it sounds insane, if it were true it’d actually be very boring

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      i was thinking that, this is the least insane conspiracy theory simply because no one other than rich fuckheads would care

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    Differences from Titanic

    The Olympic and Titanic were nearly identical, and were based on the same core design. A few alterations were made to Titanic and later on Britannic which were based on experience gained from Olympic’s first year in service. The most noticeable of these was that the forward half of Titanic’s A Deck promenade was enclosed by a steel screen with sliding windows, to provide additional shelter, whereas Olympic’s promenade deck remained open along its whole length. The additional enclosed volume was a major contributor to Titanic’s increased gross register tonnage of 46,328 tons over Olympic’s 45,324 tons, which allowed Titanic to claim the title of largest ship in the world.[35]

    Additionally, the B-Deck First-Class promenade decks installed on Olympic had proven to be scarcely used because of the already ample promenade space on A-Deck. Accordingly, Thomas Andrews eliminated this feature on Titanic and built additional, enlarged staterooms with en-suite bathrooms. It also allowed a Café Parisien in the style of a French sidewalk café to be added as an annexe to the À la Carte Restaurant, and for the Restaurant itself to be expanded to the Port-side of the ship. One drawback of this was that the Second-Class promenade space on B-Deck was reduced aboard Titanic.

    A reception area for the restaurant was added in the foyer of the B-Deck aft Grand Staircase on Titanic, which did not exist on Olympic, and the main reception room on D-Deck was also slightly enlarged. 50-foot (15 m) private promenade decks were added to the two luxury parlour suites on B-Deck on Titanic, as well as additional First-Class gangway entrances on B-Deck. Cosmetic differences also existed between the two ships, most noticeably concerning the wider use of Axminster carpeting in Titanic’s public rooms, as opposed to the more durable linoleum flooring on Olympic.

    Most of these shortcomings on Olympic would be addressed in her 1913 refit, which altered the configuration of Olympic’s First-Class sections to be more like those of Titanic. Although the A-Deck Promenade remained open for the entirety of Olympic’s career, the B-Deck promenade was vetoed and staterooms added like those on Titanic, as well as a Café Parisien and enlarged restaurant. The 1913 refit also included modifications for greater safety after the loss of the Titanic, including the addition of extra lifeboats and the addition of an inner watertight skin in the hull along about half the length of the ship. An extra watertight compartment was added bringing the total of watertight compartments to 17. Five watertight bulkheads were raised to B deck. Along with these improvements there were many others included in the 1913 refit.

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    Sounds like nonsense, the pictures are swapped. Quote below from https://www.cruisemummy.co.uk/titanic-vs-olympic/

    1. The Titanic had more irregular windows One of the few differences you can spot by looking at pictures of the Titanic and the Olympic next to each other is that the Titanic had more irregular port holes on B deck.

    This is because of all the design changes that were made to that part of the ship during construction – it means that the windows were spaced out a lot more unevenly.

    On the Olympic, because the plans were unchanged during construction, the windows are evenly spaced across that deck.

    More importantly, even if the Olympic sank instead of Titanic, then Titanic continued serving as an ocean liner and troop ship and hospital ship for two decades, so what was the point of the fraud?

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      To your last point, the reason was that the Olympic was dealing with some manufacturing issues and couldn’t be insured unless it was basically rebuilt for a new inspection.

      Instead of rebuilding it, they secretly renamed it the Titanic so it could be insured fraudulently under the Titanic’s insurance, then intentionally sank it to claim the insurance on it. Now they have a good ship (the real Titanic) which will pass inspection as the Olympic, and they have the insurance payout from the sunken Olympic which shouldn’t have been able to be insured.

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      IIRC: Olympic couldn’t be insured as it was involved in a collision with HMS Hawkeye; and was found at fault by the Royal Navy. There was also damage that couldn’t really be repaired resulting in an permanent slight port list and it was a floating legal liability. Titanic was insured for double its worth after this and White Star was owned by noted scumbag JP Morgan. Olympic was also being repaired at the same shipyard Titanic was being built at, making a switch that much easier.

      My opinion: They swapped the boats in the yard to pass regulatory inspection for Olympic, then swapped back if there’s any truth to this.

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    I read this a decade ago on reddit. It’s one of the only conspiracy theories that I actually think isn’t so crazy.

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      There is a great (2-part, I think) series by Oceanliner Designs on YouTube that disproves this theory quite conclusively

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      I posted it less because of the conspiracy theory itself and more because of what the person thought was conclusive evidence.

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    They lost me forever at “at the last minute”. Anyone with even a slight concept of logistics knows there’s no way they’re just going to swap all the provisions, luggage, load, fuel, passengers, etc. at anything near the last minute.

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    There’s another reason for the sinking of whatever carcass it was… Three of the most wealthy men were aboard, all were strongly agaisnt the newly-minted Federal Reserve.

    Now it’s a simple matter of seeing how JPM felt about the Federal Reserve.

    Whatever ship it was hit something.