Assuming there’s nothing stopping you from legally voting

  • papalonian@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I’ll continue to say this question still isn’t being asked in good faith.

    Of course the ballot isn’t literally, “do u want fascism or nah”

    It’s between two politicians. You and I are agree that one side is almost inherently better than the other, but you have to remember that a. the other side also believes that they are inherently better than the other, and b. not everyone believes that either side is inherently better than the other.

    Judging by your comments I’m assuming you’re pro-choice; if someone asked you, “when presented with the choice of outlawing the murder babies, what makes that choice difficult for you?”, you’d rightfully say they aren’t posing the question in a fair way to you. It’s the same thing here, if you’re trying to communicate with someone who doesn’t outright agree with you you can’t just outright attack their position or frame it in a negative light or you just make them defensive and not receptive to an alternative view.

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      4 months ago

      Of course the ballot isn’t literally, “do u want fascism or nah”

      This specific election is literally just this

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        4 months ago

        If you’re speaking hyperbolically, sure. But when you’re trying to have a genuine conversation with someone regarding a serious topic, using hyperbolic speech to belittle someone’s position is pretty lame

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          4 months ago

          If you’re speaking hyperbolically, sure.

          They are not. If trump wins many people will die. And he will be the new forever king of America.

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            4 months ago

            Ok, but LITERALLY, the ballot says Donald Trump or Joe Biden. HYPERBOLICALLY it says fascism or not. Words don’t just mean whatever we want them to mean, and if someone isn’t already on board with Trump = fascism (which, don’t get me wrong, I’m 100% on that boat), phrasing things in pointed, biased ways isn’t going to convince them that we’re the side of reason.

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              phrasing things in pointed, biased ways isn’t going to convince them that we’re the side of reason.

              There is literally no way to reason these people out of the position they didn’t reason themselves into. I’m of the firm belief that we need to be heckling, calling out, and generally being as rude and mean as possible to Nazis. Make the fuckers squirm back into their hole.

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                There is literally no way to reason these people out of the position they didn’t reason themselves into.

                Regarding this, I recently saw the counterpoint of Santa. Most people never reason themselves into believing in Santa, but they do reason themselves out of it. Obviously there’s cognitive development that happens in between in the Santa case, but a lot of people form their core political beliefs pretty young, so that may be true of politics as well.

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          4 months ago

          I’ve voted in every election since Bush senior in 1988 and I do not believe the other guy is speaking hyperbolically at all. It’s so different this time. It truly is.

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          4 months ago

          You are as pathetic as your weak defense of abandoning your most important civic duty. Your weakness hurts us all. Shame on you.