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Donald Trump has not received a poll boost in the first presidential election survey conducted since the failed assassination attempt on Saturday.
The poll, conducted by Morning Consult of 2,045 registered voters on Monday, reveals that Trump is leading Joe Biden by just one percentage point on 46 percent, compared to the president’s 45 percent. The poll has a margin of error of +/- two percentage points.
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As much as I want this to be true (well I’d rather him be losing in all polls), this is disinformation at this moment.
The poll they are referencing is this one: https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-presidential-election-polling (Archive link)
Under “In this tracker”
KEY TAKEAWAYS
Trump maintains lead: Trump continues to lead Biden by 2 percentage points, 44% to 42%, unchanged from the previous week and superior to his standing in the lead-up to the first 2024 presidential debate, when the candidates were tied. The latest data was collected Friday through Sunday, meaning most responses were gathered before Saturday’s assassination attempt on Trump at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania.
Additionally, I don’t see any polls listed out here either that have been able to do a complete poll since the assassination attempt:
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden
Maybe impartial information more than disinformation. It’s still likely the responses from late Saturday and Sunday would have impacted the percentage by at least 1 or 2 points. The fact it stayed the same hopefully means that at best it simply prevented Biden from taking the lead.
Maybe, but considering this information is highlighted in the poll’s key points (immediately following and under the same point used for the title) doesn’t look good. It means that Newsweek is either doing a poor job at covering this (they didn’t even provide a direct link to the poll), or they are intentionally leaving out key details.
It’s also possible that they are only looking at a subset of the data that only focuses on people that were questioned the day after the event, but without a pro+ subscription I can’t tell if seperating out that group is even possible (if it even lists out which day a person was questioned) and that’s ignoring the impact on the reliability of those numbers given a largely reduced dataset.
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In the end, I’m waiting to see what the polls look like in battleground states to see how this event has really affected the situation.
We may never get an accurate poll post-assassination because the RNC quickly followed.
Half of the poll period was in the middle of the news cycle. You’d expect to see at least some movement.
There are those who see through Trump’s bullshit and those who don’t. And those who see through it won’t have their views changed by this event.
We know how Trump would have reacted if the tables were turned. He wouldn’t have condemned the violence. He would have made evasive and vague statements suggesting that the violence should continue. We know that because he has done it before. Many times. As a matter of fact he did call for political violence against Hillary in 2016 when he suggested that “the second amendment people should do something about it”.
We are not fooled. We might not approve of political violence. But no amount of playing the victim is doing to make us forget that he is still a scumbag. We will vote him out.
There are those who see through Trump’s bullshit and those who don’t.
What has baffled me for the past eight years is how many people, since day one, have not observed him for who he really is. I still can not comprehend how he was elected president and is again the nominee for the Republican Party.
He has zero redeeming qualities. By all measures, he has the record of being the worst president in modern times. But most people don’t actually care about legislation or politics or this country - they only care about themselves and the “vibe” they get from someone.
We live in a world where verifiable lies are shaping our reality. The people who claim to be patriots are traitors to the intent of this nation. I just do not understand how the brains of some people veil them from what’s being presented directly in front of them. Moreover, I have no idea how this doesn’t keep getting worse.
He has a cult of personality. They (the GOP) don’t seem to like him either based on how many of them denounced him at various points over the past 8 years, but they know he’s their best chance of winning, so they made him the candidate. They don’t care who the candidate is, as long as it’s one of their people.
I have a friend who is obsessed with learning about cults, and he recently said that Trump’s speeches sound exactly like Jim Jones.
The way it works is that you say something kinda crazy and lose maybe 10% of your followers. Now you know what you can get away with with the other 90%. Repeat this until you get the 30-50% of people that will eat up anything you say (or won’t leave due to sunk cost fallacy/can’t admit that they were wrong), and you have Trump’s base.
These are people who have either drunk the Flavor-Aid, love him because he says the things they’re afraid to say out loud, or are just too deep now and can’t get out.
He was elected because Democrats thought they could exploit his lack of support to force Clinton on everyone. They were wrong.
Trump’s victory is more about Democratic strategic failure than anything else, they gave him the election.
We know how Trump would have reacted if the tables were switched. He wouldn’t have condemned the violence.
“People that get shot are losers!”
- Trump in an alternate timeline
The polls are also affected by project 2025 news, which can reduce the effectiveness of a post assassination boost.
It’s this.
I think this confirms what we kind of already know; Trump has maxed out his support, and it’s not much. Turnout is key for Democrats.
Not just key, but absolutely critical. Every single maga voter is going to turn out, and gerrymandering gives them a huge advantage as will the corrupt scotus. There will also be voter and voting fraud in favour of maga because if they win it doesn’t matter. There will also be evidence found of democrat voting fraud, so that they can claim both sides are the same.
The only thing that will win this for the dems is overcoming apathy and voting in utterly overwhelming numbers, particularly in swing states.
If Trump loses the election he got shot for nothing and will have the worlds most hilarious breakdown. Make it so.
I hope he has a breakdown and it’s public when he loses again.
“Frankly, we won this election” 😂
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Trump is way too much of a wuss to cut himself, nor is he dextrous enough to professionally hide himself doing it.
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GTFO with that bullshit! An innocent bystander got killed, show some respect. The projectile was capture on video, do you really think that Trump would let anybody shoot live ammo at him? Puleeese!
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The bullet was captured in a photo midflight.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics/video/doug-mills-trump-rally-photo-src-digvid
I understand why you’d suspect this was a false flag, but it really seems like it wasn’t.
I don’t believe it was false flag, particularly because it is really easy to hit by mistake if you take a shot like that, but it is still intriguing that trump got out in the open to pose for his photo and exposing himself if there were a second or third shooters out there… but the simple explanation is that he is not smart enough to have considered that :)
The Pod Save America ep from today discussed this, Jon Lovett said that Trump has often talked about being a target in a public place and may well have thought about what he would do in that moment. ‘hes a showman’.
I mean, someone quite literally did capture the bullet itself:
is that even the bullet that him? it looks to low to hit the top of his ear
I was thinking that it might be blood carried by the bullet.
On a side note, I wonder if that hat is bulletproof or something, it looks so weird.
🤡Honk🤡
I don’t pity fascists; he’s got my full disapproval still, come November it’s Vote Blue time!
Can we just take a step back and admire how completely bizarre this title sounds out of context?
Ikr, If someone woke up from a coma today, this headline without context looks like the Trump Fifth Avenue quote actually happened.
I swear they could be better with these headlines.
Booster for trump shot doesn’t come to fruition.
That’s how shitty of a person he is. Every other terrible person got a boost from almost dying.
People are in their trenches. Nothing is going to change that. It’s not like a lot of Trump voters, if any, would all of a sudden vote for Joe Biden if some ass had tried to kill him.
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The GOP game is actually how can we discourage the democrats from showing up because the core republican base is going to show up anyway.
Making voting harder favors the GOP.
Nothing has changed. Biden (or whoever the Democratic nominee is) will win the popular vote, Trump will win the electoral college, and America loses.
- this is not election advice
Exactly. I didn’t buy the whole “Trump just secured his spot” headlines
They don’t represent my best interests even a little bit. My state will cast all its electoral ballots for Trump.
I’m going to vote Green. If they get 5% then a hard left platform will be on every American ballot in 2028. That’ll turn Democrats left. Or, a Justice Democrat jump ship and split the vote.
Ballot access '28 is actual leverage on the system. Better than wasting my vote on literally no change in the outcome while endorsing either of the fuckwads who can’t even deliver lines.
Third election, same thing. Hoping the masses learn how their system works eventually.
edit: There’s lots of down votes without explanation. This is why everything sucks: No one wants to learn and sacrifice anymore.
My take on the down votes is that it is dangerous to spread ideas about voting third party in a democracy with an election system that mechanically only supports two parties.
Even if you’re in a “safe” state, people from states that are more in the margins may hear the sentiment and want to participate out of principle. It makes the opposition more likely to win.
If we want the Democrats to win in the end, it’s safer to be pushing for engagement on all fronts. That’s what the Republicans are doing and they can actually be trusted to vote.
If we want the Democrats to win in the end
Even after understanding, you head right back to the bullshit they feed us.
I don’t give a flying fuck about Democrats. I want me and the vast majority of Americans to win.
I think you are misunderstanding how the election system works. It is the Democrats vs Republicans and nothing else until a third party can get big enough to overtake one of the two and then it’s still just two major parties.
Save your energy for reforming the election system and then advocate for what you want. We have to be realistic here.
You’re entrenched in a false dichotomy seeking bandwagon validation. I won’t give it to you for your own good.
I hope you are happy helping the Republicans win
My vote for President has no impact on the outcome.
I vote left in primaries and Dem in generals.
If we get some ranked choice then it will be different. Until then, we gotta play it safe.
Playing it safe is how we got here, apathetic moderate.
Reckless accelerationism is the effective altruism of the left.
Bewildering, lukewarm understanding is the effective altruism of the neolibs.
I love the democrats saying that if Trump wins there is no more democratic, but as soon as someone says that they’re not voting democrats then just go brrr, democracy is fine until you vote what we tell you
If I lived in a purple state I’d vote Democrat for President to attempt short term harm reduction. I don’t even believe in it. But, I’d do it for the most underprivileged who can’t risk the alternative. If I lived in a blue state it’d depend on the nuance of the situation.
But, I live in a deep red state. My vote for President has absolutely no effect on the outcome of this election. I learned and reasoned a way to possibly empower the change most Democratic voters want to see in the next election. I don’t care about Green any more than Democrats, except that Green has a nice simple platform that they’ve been loyal to for decades and I agree with.
But, everyone thinks everyone else is too stupid to understand a couple paragraphs and choose wisely for themselves. That’s why everything sucks. We don’t trust each other at all.
You’re getting downvoted because thinking that Green getting 5% of the vote will cause Democrats to pull left is a laughable fantasy. Nothing that any 3rd parties do affect their decisions or their overall platform. It’s all about money. You have a better chance of affecting Democratic or Republican policy if you donate a million dollars to one of their fundraisers than you do voting for Green, Libertarian, Independent, or whatever else for the rest of your entire life.
Without ranked or approval-based voting reform, nothing will ever split up the political duopoly in this country. We should be focusing our efforts on that, starting with local elections and working our way up. Down ballot races are arguably more impactful to your day-to-day life than which ass ends up in the Oval Office chair.
I get that voting while living in a state that is guaranteed to break for Trump or Biden feels like an exercise in futility. I’m not here to convince you to change your vote to Dem or Rep, you should feel entitled to do what you want with your vote, but stop pretending like throwing away your vote on the 3rd party candidate with no chance of winning and patting yourself on the back is some noble endeavor.
You’re getting downvoted because thinking that Green getting 5% of the vote will cause Democrats to pull left is a laughable fantasy.
If their platform, which is what Sanders watered down twice, is on every American’s ballot in 2028, then the Democrats will be forced left because they can’t weed out the choice in their crooked primary like they’ve done twice already.
The rest of your reply falsely equates my premise that Democrats will be forced left to a third party victory. It’s strawman, bad faith.
You asked for an explanation and I gave you one. Keep on dreaming that the only thing keeping Democratic establishment where they are on the political spectrum is that magic 5% number you tossed out and not the oodles of cash that their corporate donors supply them to keep things as they are.
Your explanation lacks nuance and includes logical fallacy. My 14 year old nephew would see right through it and be able to explain why.
I remain unconvinced.
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The shooting changed no ones votes yet it completely demoralized the Dems to the point that their leadership think its over. The reason is they don’t know what to campaign on anymore. They’re too scared to run a negative campaign anymore. But they are also incapable of running any sort of positive campaign.
That’s why Biden said he would try to put a cap on rent increases. It will never happen, but it gets people’s attention.
Actually promising a better future is a better strategy than listing his ‘achievements’ IMO. Problem is everyone remembers how they didn’t get their 2k covid checks, or how their student loans weren’t forgiven.
Problem is everyone remembers how they didn’t get their 2k covid checks, or how their student loans weren’t forgiven.
And every one of those stupid motherfuckers blames Biden instead of the republicans who stopped them…
I don’t think that’s true, most people probably do blame republicans if I had to guess. Do you have any source for that?
Any thread on Lemmy?
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If you’re only response to voters not liking you is “well they’re just stupid” then you’re gonna loose. Thats how democracy works.
That he get’s ~45%, how sad.
Make sense… those who drank the kool aid are in for him no matter what… getting shot at does not seem like a deciding factor for anyone “on the fence”
“I was unsure at first, but he survived an incompetent shooter, so now I find his policies pretty convincing.”
These are American voters we’re talking about…
If the margin of error is of 2 points, you can’t say that trump is leading, because both are statistically tied. I hate biased journalism.
Because the Republicans have a built-in advantage in the Electoral College, a Democratic presidential candidate has to be several points ahead in a national poll to even think about being level, in terms of electoral votes, which are the only things that really count in a presidential race.
I’d like this to be true, but remember that these national polls are not helpful to predict the electoral college. Unfortunately, Trump comfortably leads in many must-win states for Biden. Polls are usually wrong, but it’s the best information we’ve got.
If you’re leading by 1.5 points with a margin of error of 2 points, then it’s most likely that your lead is real. The range of error is a bell curve. It’s more likely for a well-conducted poll to be off by 0.5 points than 1.5.
Or he could be leading by 4 points.
Edit: 3 points. I guess I struggle with addition now D:
Akcshually just 3
Well, his “followers” where already convinced to vote for him, and he’s so far out that people that did not follow him already actually have enough brain to not equate “assassination attempt” with “he’s a hero”, so there’s that.
Yeah, he’s kinda capped out on support. That shouldn’t be too surprising.
I feel with Vance getting the VP pick and the Trump run RNC, that Republicans believe they have the numbers. They are doing nothing to get swing voters and I’m glad to see that.
They trust polls way, way too much.
Andrew Yang sent out an email the other day that I partially agree with. The JD Vance pick is a bold signal that Trump thinks he’s already won. He could have picked Doug Bergum, Glenn Youngkin, Nikki Haley, or Marco Rubio and any of them would have brought something to the table that could potentially shore up Trump’s weaknesses in the upcoming election and reassured moderates, corporate donors, and minority groups that Trump had their best interests at heart. But instead he picked a junior senator with no legislative accomplishments, no real connections to business or Washington politicians, and no household name recognition, and only redeeming quality is that he has a law degree from Yale.
I would say it’s almost certain that he got picked because he made a statement that if he were the VP during Trump’s first term, he would not have certified the 2020 election results. Yikes.
I’m not surprised that Trump is packing his cabinet with dyed-in-the-wool loyalists. Part of the reason a lot of his plots failed in his first term is because career politicians refused to break the law at his behest. I don’t really see this backfiring for him since the VP pick is secondary to Trump’s own cult of personality. It’s not a strong VP pick, but it didn’t really matter who he picked. He could have picked Donald Trump Jr. to be his running mate and MAGA would have gone along with it.
So JD Vance has major ties to the tech industry. His book Hillbilly Elegy opened doors for him to be friends with Peter Thiel. Trump believes Vance will bring in the donors.
Vance was a “never Trumper”. If put in the same position as Pence, he will roll on Trump. Vance wants a career and being die hard Trump will not accomplish it long term.
