Sleepy Don
Such low energy.
Doesn’t he look tired?
Yeah, these ads almost write themselves. Show clips of right-wingers describing Biden as old and senile, then splice in clips of Trump rambling incoherently. The entire Trump campaign has been built around attacking Biden, so there will probably be a lot of tangential benefits of switching to Harris.
Ooof, I hadn’t even thought about this possibility! They could splice up some absolutely wild ads of Trump surrogates appearing to criticize Trump for being too old and senile!
Yeah, they would probably have to make it clear that they were originally talking about Biden, otherwise I think that’s fraud, but basically how I would do it.
Narrator: What did some [some Republican chud] think about Biden?
Republican Chud: You can’t have a senile, 80 year old grandpa leading the country!
-smash-cut to Trump-
Trump: Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere.
Narrator: Sounds like [some Republican chud] was right!
Because he IS too old. Biden did the right thing. Selflessly put the country before himself and listened to his party. I don’t think Trump would ever have enough morals or integrity to do that in a million years unfortunately. So we’ll have to beat the old loon and his band of circus freaks at the polls, again.
Biden was never supposed to run for a second term, and then dragged his feet until the very last minute. The selfless thing would’ve been to step aside for someone younger before the race began
He only planned to serve one term? I’m sure you have a source for that…?
UPDATE: I was wrong, they have a source!
He never had plans to only run one term.
I think most people had no idea he was significantly declining, hence the astonishment at the debate. And some people around him seem to have been encouraging the denial (or worse). I’m unclear if he was doing better many months ago before primaries.
I can’t imagine how insulated and reliant on advisors and other employees the president becomes. Quickly surrounded by people who have no interest in being the bearer of bad news. Probably akin to billionaires, and we see what they mutate into (some kind of Musk-like creature).
I’m so relieved that Biden was able to come to this painful decision, even if it was late. On the bright side, at least there’s less time for the GOP to smear the new nominee. And no more televised convention for them to host the lies for free.
There was a significant effort to hide Biden’s disability. The upper echelons in the Dem party have a lot to answer for.
You think the Repubs are ever gonna even put in any effort to hide Trumps disability?
Cos frankly, it’s starting to feel like it doesn’t matter when it’s their king. what are your thoughts? Does trump suffer from entropy like the rest of us?
It’s one of those things, strategy. If I point out an obvious flaw in the Dem’s candidate, it doesn’t follow that the opposition is superior. Trump can rot in hell for all I care. I don’t give a tin shit about his plan or strategy. I just want the best person the Dems can find to take him down. Pretty simple really.
But you realise that having discussions like that on open public forums just legitimises the particularly twisted viewpoints of maga people then… Surely.
There are only gonna be 2 people (realistically) in the race if you truly care about what you claim… Then fuck no do the dem party not have shit all to answer for… not when you compare them to maga.
And like you said. Strategy. That’s all thats important for Americans right now.
For goodness sake. It’s not just the MAGA lunatics. The whole world saw the debate. People like you are asking us to disbelieve our own eyes. Being a realist doesn’t make you an enemy.
Anyway, chill, the problem has been resolved and the orange ape is going down. Unity is the watchword. The only old fluck in the race in Trump.
Don’t know what you are talking about. I think that the issue is now resolved. They just left things on hold for too long.
Yeah, he fucked over everyone by participating in the primaries.
Not that I’m suggesting that this was intentional or that he did right to wait, but there are a few upsides. Trump and the Republicans were fully prepared and frothing to take on that blubbering old man from that last debate, but now they’re actually going to make a case for Trump over a (hopefully) real contender. And many Democrat voters went from feeling defeated and apathetic, potentially enough to not even bother voting, to being charged with a second chance and a (again, hopefully) more exciting candidate to support. If Biden had declared his intention not to run again before the primaries, the Republicans would have had much longer to prepare and pick apart someone who wasn’t such an easy target, and Dems would have been infighting over the nuances of a dozen candidates and pissed off at each other. And, if Harris is the presumptive nomination, for better or worse, the knee jerk reaction from the Right will probably be to play up the racist and sexist angles, which should drive moderates away from the right, not away from Harris.
It’s all conjecture, but I only see this as a net positive compared to where we were yesterday.
More importantly imo: it put Biden and the Dems in the news and overshadowed the attempted assassination. Which kept its new cycle short and put the dems back on top. Trump hates being out of the news, and was right that the media wants him back because they loved the numbers he provided. The DNC should make a circus out of this to keep it in the news and with constant breaking news events. It’s stupid, and I hate it, but it would help them win.
I mean, 5d chess if true.
but that would be a dangerous, stupid game - and we know they would never do that, right? right?
its more of a mr bean dodging a certain death by finding a penny after wandering into a closed off area scenario, but I’ll take it.
agreed, never should have tried for the second bite.
however… dems now have an opportunity to own the news cycle from here until the election. if they do even a halfway decent job, we start trending from “narrow loss” -> “political landslide”.
I don’t think all the messaging in the world can fix the reality that Biden hasn’t improved material conditions of the people who voted for him in 2020, or even gone to the mat fighting for them.
The only things he’s really gone around congress or the SCOTUS for is to deny more asylum seekers and give more weapons to Israel and Ukraine.
He absolutely has. We’re getting public transit built out. Caps on overdraft fees. Capped the price of insulin. Invalidated most non-compete clauses. Oh, and he didn’t encourage his supporters to attack the Capitol Building and hang Mike Pence.
Oh, and he didn’t get a bunch of Americans killed by Covid because he cared more about the stock market than people.
I’d also like to see Ukraine not fall to Russia.
That’s just what I can name of the top of my head. He was a better president than Obama.
Yeah, Biden invested in long term improvement for the first time in a long time. Yeah it’s not paying out immediately, we’re struggling in part because we kept expecting immediate returns. It’s gonna stay a bit rough for a little while longer but it’s stabilizing with hope on the horizon.
Or we could cash out our savings again…
We’re getting public transit built out
Nothing around me except wider highways, nor anyone I know. Unless the brightline is part of that, which is nice, but doesn’t compete with airfare and driving.
Caps on overdraft fees
lmao just get rid of them, people who have no money don’t need less penalties, they need no penalties. There is not a “medium overdraft fees” constituency who will vote against the dems if they get rid of overdraft fees.
Capped the price of insulin
See previous response. If you have the power to cap it, you have the power to make it free.
he didn’t encourage his supporters to attack the Capitol Building and hang Mike Pence.
Stop trying to make trump’s army of divorced Jet Ski dealers sound cool. Most Americans hate congress and Mike Pence.
Oh, and he didn’t get a bunch of Americans killed by Covid because he cared more about the stock market than people.
He literally ended the covid protections, told people not to wear masks, and a bunch of Americans did receive long-term injury or death from covid before they stopped counting.
I’d also like to see Ukraine not fall to Russia.
Because of our actions, Ukraine will never be safe within our lifetimes. Every bomb we send is a bad day for someone, statistically mostly civilians. Any stance except peace as soon as possible demonstrates that you care less about the lives of the actual people living in Ukraine than you do supporting imperialism.
We could have had peace with similar terms to what we can get now two years ago, and millions would be alive and in their homes right now. But instead we decided to fight Russia to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.
He was a better president than Obama.
The patron saint of drones, who halved black wealth to bail out the banks? The deporter-in-chief who paved the way for Trump? That’s not the flex you think it is.
Besides everything else being nonsense, every word about Ukraine is a lie because Putin explicitly NEVER wanted peace, he wants all of Ukraine and just like with Crimea he intends to take it bit by bit. Ukraine are the ones who chose fight, and you want to abandon them so Russia can occupy them and kill all the resistance under your watch, just like they’re doing in all the regions they already occupied and control. That would spill MORE blood than convincing Russia they will lose the conflict and lose all land.
the current reality is not the future reality - thats their sell, basically obama “hope-ishness”. personally, I think it can work to keep trump out of office. this is a generational moment and the dems have it on their side.
so, with luck, we get to reject trump and, depending on the turnout, watch where progressives settle around.the seat of power.
between the dems and republicans, they have whittled down progressive representation, but its still there.
Whoever the candidate is, they have to avoid talking about Israel and use vague language on the issue. If they come out swinging for Israel I think it would not be a good look.
No messaging or surrogate can have a good answer to “why haven’t you already done it?”
If instead of vaguely suggesting there might be a ceasefire sometime in the future if the dems remain in power, they stopped all arms shipments to Israel and sanctioned them until all Palestinians are granted equal political rights and right-to-return, you wouldn’t be asking yourself “How do I dress up support for an ongoing genocide”, you’d be telling people “We ended apartheid”
thats their sell, basically obama “hope-ishness”
That works when you’ve had 8 years of Bush and are campaigning on free healthcare, ending the wars, federal legalization of cannabis. It works when you’ve had 4 years of Trump and everyone thinks the democrats will defund the police, provide free healthcare and college, abolish ICE, codify roe, pack the court, etc. Then when you fail to do any of that, you get the shit kicked out of you 2 years later.
The dems cannot campaign on hope when they’ve demonstrated that they will not give the people what they want.
This isn’t a messaging problem, it’s a “triangulating yourself to be 2 inches left of republicans and then acting surprised when your base doesn’t show up” for 30+ years problem.
How much of that was blocked in some way by the reps? Every time the peanut gallery chimes in with “what did Dems ever get accomplished?” they never provide the required addendum that reps are obstructionists.
Everyone can look like a genius with hindsight.
And everyone should have foreseen the age problem with Biden running a second term…
I think most will agree, dnc should have started pushing another candidate the week after jan6.
Biden himself ran on being one term.
Biden himself ran on being one term.
No he didn’t
I honestly wonder if it was always the plan to waste the GOPs money on a campaign against Biden up until the nomination was locked in. Biden did say he’d be a 1 term president after all. The move makes Biden come off as the better person, makes room for a (slightly) younger, far more capable and progressive candidate, and wasted a ton of the GOPs effort and money. I’m truly hopeful that not only will Harris win, but due to all the shit slinging going on in the house and Senate, the left wins back a ton of seats making it so Harris’s term is as effective as possible. I’m 90% sure most seats in the house are up for grabs this coming vote.
Still far more selfless than Trump though. I’m sure we can absolutely agree there.
I guess? When trump is the bar, it’s pretty easy to come out on top
It ain’t about a bar though is it.
It’s a presidential race.
Realistically, it’s between 2 people.
Not just Dems saying it. Everyone is saying it.
Many people are saying it! 👐 The best people 👋 they come up to me ☝️and say, they say 👐 Mr Mad Caesar, 🤚with tears in their eyes, Mr Caesar, Trump 🍊 is just too old to be president! 👐
I’m visualizing Cartman saying this
He’s always been too old to run. It’s completely ridiculous that he would go after his opponent for something that he is as well without a hint of irony.
He could shame others for having a pot on their head while he has multiple pots on his head and his voters wouldn’t be able to see the farce.
It was always just about image. Trump has a bunch of other bad things to talk about and he doesn’t show age as a problem as clearly as Biden does. Not to say there haven’t been moments where Trump has had moments like Biden but the focus has always been on the other bad aspects of Trump. The reason they focus on it with Biden is because he doesn’t really have much else interesting going on for the media to focus on instead.
Basically, my adhd brethren: Biden boring, but old and shows it. Trump not boring, just dumb, and shows age less often.
Watch an interview of Trump in the 80s, after 9/11, and anything that gets put out now. A lot more controlled in the 80s, far more coherent train of thought in the 2000s, and neither of those things now.
He wasn’t any less of a terrible person back then, but the veneer hadn’t worn off.
I’m still amazed him getting 9/11 mixed up with 7/11 didn’t end his career
One big concern is he has golfers spine. That’s why it looks like he’s wearing a diaper full of shit when standing. It’s a serious concern as he may even need spinal surgery as bad as it looks. Has he even been checked by a spinal professional?
Many people are saying its both. Full diaper and he needs spinal surgery. He should probably just drop out right now.
I would think with access to the best medical care on the planet, (for free even on our dime), he’s been checked by someone competent. It’s just that you can’t fix everything. And at his age, it’s probably not worth the risks that might be involved.
What’s the point… Trump has no spine.
It’s a preemptive strike. Haven’t you noticed that when Trump has done something wrong, he immediately and viciously attacks his opponent for doing that thing. That’s true even if the thing is being old. If you make a list of things Trump has accused others of, you’ll notice quickly that he did many of those things. So many, in fact, that it will make you wonder if he’s done those other things too.
He constantly accused Cruz of being a liar. He said Hilary was corrupt, racist, unstable, and that Russia wanted her to be president. He accused Obama and Biden of election tampering. It goes on and on. They say it’s projection, but I think it’s a calculated move to make the other people sound like they’re saying “No, you are.”
He totally is too old, though. Bill Clinton is younger than him.
Weird fact: Clinton, Bush Jr. and Trump were all born in 1946. For some reason there’s a clustering of president birth years. 1913 and 1924 were also popular.
Hmm, what could be the connection? It’s almost as if there was a “boom” of babies born 9 months after WW2 ended.
The peak year for the baby boom was 1947, not 1946. In 1947 there were 26.6 births per 1000 population, in 1946 it was 24.1. But, even though the baby boom was a noticeable change in birth rate, it wasn’t actually all that dramatic. In the depths of WWII in 1943 the birth rate was 22.7. In 1965 when the baby boom was over, it had only dropped to 19.4.
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/NCHS-Births-and-General-Fertility-Rates-United-Sta/e6fc-ccez/data_preview
There’s no reason that there should be a cluster of presidents born in 1946 rather than a few spread around the post-war years.
I bet they were both a year earlier than the statistics because they come from wealthy families, so they already had established homes, jobs, etc, while most people were still recovering from ww2. Having a baby right after the end of the war had to be either a luxury or a poverty sentence.
He is though!!! That’s why I’m excited about Harris! She’s only 59!
“The first party to retire its 80-year old candidate is going to be the one who wins this election.”
— Nikki Haley, in January.
BTW, I think it would be good for Dems to always call Trump 80. It will be a good irritation for Republicans
I’ve been getting down voted for saying it for a year…
But yeah, trump doesn’t stand a fucking chance now. Also, this is probably the only way to get people excited about Kamala.
2028 better be a real primary or we just kicked the can down the road.
You know it will probably be either the Harris reelection effort, or no election due to complications from Trumpitis
Harris against Trump Jr. and they will claim Harris is too old.
Damn, I just found out Kamala is almost 60…
I don’t know why I thought Biden would have picked someone young enough to be president after him.
Should have gotten one of the “kids” in their 40s.
We need to stop running elderly people, if Biden had done two and she did two after, she’d be in her 70s too
We’re stuck in this situation where we demand “experience” but the people holding the spots that count for “experience” are decades past retirement age.
Even if she would serve two terms in a row, she would still only be 67 by the time shes finished, so thats still way younger than what Trump or Biden have been during their terms.
Right.
But apparently Biden always intended to run twice, making her 71 at the end of her second term…
But 67 is still too old for lots of people. And above everything thing else the presidency is a popularity contest.
Younger candidates like Obama and Bill get more votes, which carries down ballot races, and let’s us get the House and Senate so the president can get shit done.
Almost 60 is fine. She’s still got the majority of her mental faculties that she had at her peak. Low chance of her just randomly kicking over at any given time unlike the two candidates we had in this election until yesterday.
Almost 60 is fine.
It is.
But if Biden did a second term, she’d be 64.
And 72 at the end of her two terms.
Which is why I’m saying Biden should have picked a you Obama type who’s a decade younger for VP.
Instead of someone who would be in their 70s if everything went to plan.
Gotta keep the pressure up.
Make her promise to an open and fair 2028 primary before the 2024 election.
None of this wishwashy shit where everyone close to Biden promise it’s a one turn thing, but the candidate doesn’t understand how shitty of a candidate they are.
Kamala’s gonna win because she’s not trump. Not because she’s what Dem voters want.
Harris still has a lot of animosity towards her from her time as a prosecutor, but I’m thinking she’s at least a better candidate than biden. The expected republican attacks of “she’s black” and “she’s a woman” probably won’t sway anyone as much as “Joe Biden personally shoots Palestinian kids.”
She’ll be fine.
Moderates like her already, and as someone who’s had to vote Hillary and Joe in the last two elections…
It’s easier for progressives to hold their nose when they have the benefit of the doubt about how bad the candidate is.
We’re fucking fighting fascism bro, her being a DA might even be a good thing if she’s actually down to fight fascists. Don’t forget before McCarthyism we had capitalists allying with communists to fight fascism.
Hell, if she pulls a “I know the system, I know it needs fixed, and I look forward to being president so it can be fixed” would guarantee she’s the next prez.
It doesn’t take much, we’rre just coming off the two worst Dem candidates in modern history, and still got a trump hangover from his term. So Kamala would have to really fuck shit up to lose.
Have we seen his birth certificate?! Maybe he actually is 80…
Many people are saying it - Is Trump too old for the Presidency? I hear it all the time from fine folks. Shouldn’t we answer these folks? All we need to see if the birth certificate. Maybe Trump is younger then actually says. We don’t know. Many people asking questions.
At this point Trump went from “almost certain” to “laughably unelectable”
He’s old as fuck and shits his diapers on stage
He walks around with a frame when there aren’t any cameras.
The racist rapist, Dementia Don with 34 felonies needs to drop out, he’s too old and can’t even complete a coherent sentence.
He can’t even complete his prison sentences.
Hasn’t had any prison sentences to complete yet. Dude is like Teflon. He’s just a toxin that builds up everywhere, can’t be destroyed, and causes cancer.
Karma bats 1000, he’ll get his. I bet he’s having a real hard time sleeping knowing that if he doesn’t win, he’s very likely going to fucking jail. The ploy to get Biden to drop out seems to have backfired massively on him too.
Not to be pessimistic, but karma bats 1000? No it doesn’t. So many terrible people died rich and accomplished. He’ll, Kissinger died at 100, still trying to be a part of politics giving advice etc.
Finally! The dems are going low!
Trump doesn’t care about the responsibility of being president. He likes the power and prestige of it.
But I don’t want real power, because with real power comes real responsibility, and I don’t want any of that shit.
I just want the money.
And the illusion of power.
And puss.
Not just that, this is his ticket to stop all the criminal trials.
Well, many people are saying it, not just Democrats. Just the other day, the biggest manliest Republican ran up to me with tears streaming down his face, and he fell on his knees, and he said “Sir, sir! Our orange god-emperor is actually very very old and in obvious mental decline! He needs to drop out right now!”
Very good people, the best people.
