• protist@mander.xyz
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    4 months ago

    *mandated paid leave

    There are a ton of people in the US who have really good paid leave policies at their jobs, it’s just that there are also a ton of people who have really bad leave policies at their jobs

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      Yes, that’s the point.

      There are a ton of people in the US who have none of that paid leave.

      In France (and many other countries), paid leave is a right that’s protected by law. So everyone gets it.

      Your comment is kind of like saying “It doesn’t matter what minimum wage is because lots of people make more than minimum wage!”

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          I don’t think anybody who sees this would think that literally nobody in the USA has a job that offers any paid time off.

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          You did bring up a valid point and people should know fwcts but in modern context, ain’t nobody got time for nuance.

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        “It doesn’t matter what minimum wage is because lots of people make more than minimum wage!”

        Which is kinda true when essentially no-one except for teenagers makes minimum wage.

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          essentially no-one except for teenagers makes minimum wage.

          Do you have a source for that?

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            1.1% of workers earned the minimum wage or less

            44% being under 25, despite only 20% of total workers being under 25.

            This data doesn’t not include tips or commissions.

            70% of those earning at or below minimum wage worked in hospitality, 65% food preparation and serving related. 49% were part time workers.

            0.8% of all workers earned minimum wage or below, but 3.1% of 16-19 year olds did.

            Unfortunately it doesn’t break down with tips/commissions. But you can sort of innacurrately guess at it by seeing that 57% of the below minimum wage is 25+. This means they are earning tips (assuming their not paid illegally). So, majority of those earning minimum wage without tips are probably 16-24.

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              Thank you for the source. 1.1% is a small percentage, but a lot of people, especially when talking about a country the size of the US.

              Another element that’s difficult to capture, but relevant, is how many people are making wages that would be influenced by a raised minimum wage? Raising it one dollar would probably capture a lot of people. Raising it $5 even more. The $15/h some places were championing for would likely capture quite a lot of people, especially of it were enacted nation-wide, but I understand that that’s a very far reach.

              I worked at a place that paid minimum wage + X, where X was based on experience and such. This included new hires. At some point, they stopped bumping previous employees up when minimum wage went up, and of course they wondered why a lot of long-term staff were quitting lol

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      Cope Haha

      JFC

      Also what % of working population = “a ton”

      Asking for a friend

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        According to the BLS, about 45% of nonunion workers in the private sector have paid vacation time and about 75% have paid sick leave. The numbers are quite a bit higher in unionized and public sector jobs. A bunch of states have implemented various mandatory paid leave laws. At the nonunion hospital I used to work at here in Texas, everyone got about 6 weeks of paid time off, which could be used as sick time or vacation time, plus 9 paid holidays. This included housekeeping, food services, nurses, everyone.

        I’m not coping, I clearly stated above the current situation is really bad for a lot of people, but it’s also not “zero paid leave for everyone in the US” as implied by the graphic

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          I’m a US citizen, worked in the EU. Was surprised people were willing to stay until 8pm, never saw that in the US. But this was in very white collar jobs.

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          I like that my colleagues are happy that I am going on holiday rather than feeling betrayed.

          Also, insane how sick leave in the US needs a doctor’s note immediately and is limited.