Trump pledged to end taxes on tipped income at a rally earlier this year.
  • echo@lemmings.world
    231·
    4 months ago

    Instead of ending taxes on tips, expand the lowest tax bracket, pay a living wage, and get rid of tips entirely.

    • orclev@lemmy.world
      41·
      4 months ago

      Or do both. Can’t really think of a good reason why tips should be taxed. They’re a major source of income for some of the lowest income workers. Which makes me incredibly doubtful we’d ever see such a measure passed by Republicans as it doesn’t benefit billionaires in any way.

      In a perfect world we wouldn’t have tips as a significant source of income for anybody, but until we achieve that this actually sounds like a decent idea. Would be fucking hilarious if Kamala said “You know, that’s not a bad idea, I’ll pledge to do the same”, really take the last bit of wind out of Trump’s sails.

      • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
        81·
        4 months ago

        Can’t really think of a good reason why tips should be taxed.

        If you can’t think of how not taxing tips could be abused by people to get out of paying taxes, you don’t have a good imagination.

        Raising the lowest tax bracket has the effect of removing the tax on the poorest while also not opening up a loophole that would be abused to avoid taxes.

        In a perfect world we wouldn’t have tips as a significant source of income for anybody, but until we achieve that this actually sounds like a decent idea.

        Except it would further cement tipping into the culture by giving tipped earners additional incentives to keep tips around. Raising the bracket doesn’t do that, and would help more people that need help than just tipped earners

    • NoSuchAgency@reddthat.comOPEnglish
      15·
      4 months ago

      Sounds great, but probably not gonna happen so why not have the next best thing and let people keep more of the money they make

      • echo@lemmings.world
        4·
        4 months ago

        It won’t actually make much difference… some huge percentage of tips never get reported and taxed in any case. It also treats the symptom instead of the problem. I have no problem with incremental improvements, but this really doesn’t improve anything. You’ll also find rich people now ‘tipping’ huge sums, so it will be a net negative.

        • NoSuchAgency@reddthat.comOPEnglish
          14·
          4 months ago

          Most of my gf’s money comes from tips and it’s setup to make it very hard to not report tips without getting fired and she would bring in quite a bit more money without being taxed on it

          • YeetPics@mander.xyz
            3·
            4 months ago

            Wouldn’t it be great if the corporate loophole that forces your gf to take and report tips was closed and she earned a livable wage directly from her employer instead of relying on people’s kindness to meet her needs financially?

            Or do you just really want trump to have a single opinion that seems approachable at face value?

    • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      4 months ago

      Beyond that. It’s just mental that we treat tipped jobs like that in the first place. No other jobs are expected to be paid at starvation wages and only be able to make in with me through the kindness of strangers. Generally the people in that situation are homeless or unemployed. Not working full time.

      A tip for a gratuity is supposed to be for treatment above and beyond the standard. If you’re a restaurant relying on people to pay 10% extra than the cost of a meal or more to their server in order to actually pay for them. You just need to charge that much more for the cost of a meal and pay the employee. I would gladly pay 10% more if I knew that it meant the employee would have security. And that I would not worry or question whether or not the tip I left was enough.

    • NoSuchAgency@reddthat.comOPEnglish
      17·
      4 months ago

      It hasn’t worked that way the last 50 years, so why would it change now? And a lot of businesses wouldn’t be able to afford it

      • echo@lemmings.world
        1·
        3 months ago

        It was Reagan who brought in taxing tips… it does the conversation no favors to have hyperbole about it being 50 years ago.

  • Omega@lemmy.world
    12·
    4 months ago

    Weird how Republicans celebrate when a Republican does something progressive. It’s almost as if Americans like progressive policies. The right has just convinced a large portion of Americans that it’s Socialism or a “hand-out”. Usually the right is talking about flat taxes for the rich and the working class alike OR switching to sales tax only that way the poor are taxed on every penny they spend (which is most of it) and the rich who stockpile their wealth get taxed on almost none of it. This is only notable because he’s on the right.

    As usual, the right is judged on their best and the left is judged on their worst.

    If you like this and want progressive taxes that work for the working class instead of against them, vote blue. Or better yet, vote progressive.

    • NoSuchAgency@reddthat.comOPEnglish
      112·
      4 months ago

      I paid less taxes under Trump and made more money. Biden and Kamala are letting the tax cuts Trump put in place for the middle class expire. So, I’m voting to keep more of my money and it’s not blue. And you misunderstand Republicans. Letting people keep more of their hard earned money is a lot different than just giving out money to people who don’t contribute such as illegal immigrants coming across the border or drug addicts in San Francisco in which they’re talking about paying them $100 each a week if they pass a drug test each week. That’s what free handouts are.

      • Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world
        2·
        4 months ago

        I paid less taxes under Trump and made more money.

        Imagine supporting a literal insurrectionist because you might pay lower taxes maybe. Very cool dude.

        • NoSuchAgency@reddthat.comOPEnglish
          16·
          4 months ago

          Right, well, I don’t consider Jan. 6 an insurrection. Trump was never even charged with insurrection. Matter of fact nobody was. The Dems just used that word hoping they could get a conviction on it. That way, he wouldn’t be able to run for office again.

          • Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world
            2·
            4 months ago

            Lmfao.

            Trump was never even charged with insurrection

            So you think Al Capone was just a normal dude who forgot to pay his taxes? A Supreme Court also has found Trump guilty of insurrection.

            The Dems just used that word hoping they could get a conviction on it

            So now you think the justice department is controlled by the dems? If the dems have control over the justice department, why wouldn’t they charge Trump with more crimes?

            That way, he wouldn’t be able to run for office again.

            That’s not how the 14th Amendment works, Congress would first have to pass a law applying the 14th Amendment to Trump, it’s not automatically applying. Did you not read the Supreme Court opinions?

    • NoSuchAgency@reddthat.comOPEnglish
      16·
      4 months ago

      What’s the lie? You don’t think people back the idea of keeping more of their tip money?

  • mercano@lemmy.world
    111·
    4 months ago

    I don’t. I’d like to see us moving away from tipping culture in general, and this would make it harder.

    • NoSuchAgency@reddthat.comOPEnglish
      28·
      4 months ago

      A lot of people depend on tips. You wouldn’t be able to get rid of it without hurting the businesses they work for, or the consumer.

      • mercano@lemmy.world
        6·
        4 months ago

        You can clearly afford to run a business and pay your employees a living wage, rather than subjecting them to the fickle whims of the customers. Go look at most of Europe.

      • YeetPics@mander.xyz
        11·
        4 months ago

        Your gf can get a job that doesn’t rely on tips?

        Or you could get one to help.

        Just saying “many people drink their own piss” doesn’t make piss a good drink.

        • NoSuchAgency@reddthat.comOPEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          I’ve got a job and why should she get a different job when she makes more at the one she’s at than she can make anywhere else at the moment. And if they stop taxing tips, she’ll really make good money. Plus, that wouldn’t hurt her employers bottom line

  • Codex@lemmy.world
    9·
    4 months ago

    Of course Republicans agree with it: they don’t tip and they steal their tipped-workers’ tips. Now they’d like their theft to also not be taxed.

  • signalsayge@lemm.ee
    6·
    4 months ago

    I would agree with this except that I don’t have faith that it won’t be leveraged as a way to get out of a whole crapload of taxes. I’m pretty sure that unemployment insurance, and a lot of the federal taxes, are based on wages and not tips. Also what is the limit? Can I pay my friend $50 to mow my lawn and tip him an extra $25,000, just so I can get around the limit for a gift tax? I wouldn’t trust a Republican administration to implement this without making it easier for Rick people to avoid paying taxes.

    • Coelacanth@feddit.nu
      5·
      4 months ago

      It’s because Trump for some reason can do one thing and say the opposite, and his supporters believe what he says not what he does.

      He could probably pull out a gun at the upcoming debate and shoot the moderator and his supporters would be outraged that Harris is a murderer.

      Also he’s gotta fund further tax cuts for the rich and for corporations somehow.