What I find worse is when I go to a resteraunt that I went to today. It was a mexican resteraunt. And it was a sit down resteraunt. However, the food was basically fast food. This was a fast food place, better than taco bell, but maybe worse than chipotle. It was priced higher than chipotle by about 30%. And then you have to tip because its a sit down resteraunt. Except…my server took my order, and then I never saw him again. Never refilled my drink. Never came over to check if everything was ok. And it wasn’t a packed house. I was one of 5 tables, and 3 of the other tables had a different server.
Meaning, this guy had 2 tables to attend to, ignored both, someone else brought my food out, and then I sat there, waiting for the check…and he just stood at the bar, and conversed. Finally I went to the hostess table, and said “do I pay here? Orrr…” and she said “No, your server will be by with the check.”
I felt like asking “Will he though???” After like 15 more minutes he came by, meal clearly done, and he says “So, did you want another root beer?”
And then it asked for tip. Tip for what??? You pressed a few buttons on an iPad, and then ghosted the whole dinning room for 45 minutes.
And it shouldn’t be your job to reprimand them. And they shouldn’t be financially reprimanded. They should be taught better by mgmt or let go. Not on you to manage someone else’s employees or wages. Wish we would all stop tipping at the same time.
huh, tipping as outsourced management. Never thought of it like that. So it’s a win-win: Lower wages and less work to do!
Make people do the math too which people hate
remember when employers actually paid a living wage and didn’t exploit their employees? … oh, wait …
Yeah, me neither.
Soon no one will
cough europe cough
Tipped employees generally make way more than anything they’d realistically get on a wage but yeah counter staff gets the worst of it. Shitty wages and they have to deal with people like me who specifically ask where’s the “no tip” button on the screen
I hate how every transaction now forces me to pass monetary judgment.
I’d much rather a gratuity be pre-baked into menu prices, so I can easily make purchasing decisions that reflect my financial situation, rather than being surprised at the end.
I hardly go out to eat at all nowadays, partially due to this.
Surprised at the end? Just thumb through and click no tip. Stop caving to tipping everyone or avoiding things you like. Don’t effing tip.
Tipping is a reward for the good service and it is optional.
Maybe originally, but now a majority of people in the service industry rely on tips cause they are paid like $3/hr
In America anyways.
It’s not even a thing in The rest of the world. I don’t think I’ve ever given a tip in my life.
Does rounding up to the nearest 5 (when reasonable) count because I don’t like coins?
USA™ – The default country
Seriously. USA is like the generic video game starter character before anyone’s had a chance to customise it and level up. At all. And I say that as someone who lives here.
More like a min/maxed meta whore that only focused on combat and gold generating skills.
You could make a decent wage being a server without tips, but there’s legislation saying that they are going to take your proposed taxes from your paychecks before it even gets to your hand. That’s why you make $3/hr. Because the government said they’re taking their money up front. That’s why I think if you do depend on tips, you shouldn’t have to report them because then it just turns into the government double dipping. Also restaurant owners have full control to give you more pay, but they won’t because it’s cheaper for them to depend on customers to pay what they don’t want to
https://www.yourrestaurantbusiness.com/is-it-legal-to-pay-waiters-below-minimum-wage/
Genuinely not my problem. If you’re not paid enough, there’s plenty of low qualification jobs out there.
Are there really, though? Especially ones that pay a wage you can live on. Those are rare, and generally already occupied by someone who isn’t leaving unless forced to.
Everyone wants to be like “oh if you don’t like it then just quit” but if every restaurant server in your city took that advice I guarantee there would be a huge stink about it. We’ve been hearing it for years already with the “nobody wants to work anymore” - no, people want to work, they need to in order to survive. Just, nobody wants to work for your shitty wages that they can’t pay for both rent and groceries with.
They can either offer a living wage or they can keep crying about it.
I genuinely don’t care what a bunch of losers complain about.
Of course I remember; it’s now!
And anybody who claims otherwise can go fuck themselves.
Tipping culture is fucked.
Tips shouldn’t be allowed to be deducted from wages, and minimum wage needs to be way higher. If this puts some places out of business then good, those places were exploiting their staff, and they’ll be replaced. Prices will go up, but they won’t go up more than how much it cost before with tip included.
I got a coffee the other day on a date night. Girl (I can say that, she had her pronouns on her nametag) turned the iPad around for me to pay. I shit you not, the options were 0%, 25%, 50%, and “100% if [barista’s name] knocked it out of the park today!” Who tf is falling for that?
What the fuck
How much was the coffee?
tf does that matter?
25-50% on a $2 coffee isn’t totally unreasonable if you actually received great service.
“Here is some extra money for pouring liquid in a cup and setting it on the counter after taking my other money.”
You have to see how ridiculous that is.
Which would be why I specified “if you actually received great service”. If the barista spent a few minutes going over the flavor profiles of the roasts, helped you decide, and actually went above and beyond pour-liquid-in-a-cup-and-set-ot-on-the-counter, then yeah I don’t think $1 is ridiculous gratuity. Obviously that’s a different circumstance than just bare minimum.
My main issue with that ideology, while I fully understand that train of thought; Is that that’s literally their job. It’s not like the guest is coming in and being like yo what were the Powerball numbers last night, can you look up if the Dodgers made it into the series? It’s literally questions that as part of their job.
Now if the Barista was like the one that I had a year or so back where they were out of an item and instead of just saying oh we’re out, was able to appropriately give an alternative that actually tasted damn close to what the original drink was, you bet your ass I gave them a five. But if that Barista is just telling me what’s on the menu and what’s in the drink, that is what I would expect the Barista to be able to do regardless and I don’t feel like that’s going above and beyond or worth a tip
You can tell the difference between “Just doing your job” and “Going above and beyond”. If I know what I want and they just pour coffee in a cup, I’m probably not tipping, or maybe I’ll round up. If I have a ton of questions and need help deciding, I’ll probably throw them a dollar or two, depending on how complicated I make things.
My whole point is if the coffee is like $3, 25-50% is 75¢-$1.50, which is perfectly reasonable for someone who did go above and beyond. I can even see 100% if they were exceptionally fantastic, like that one you had a year or so back. If the coffee is $8, gtfo out of here with those percentages.
If everyone stopped tipping servers would realize it’s their boss who is not paying them a livable wage in the first place. Stop subsidizing employers.
I’ve heard someone say that if we pay people working at restaurants a living wage, it would become more expensive to eat out.
I personally only eat out a couple of times a year, so that wouldn’t matter to me. But what’s your take on this?
If costs go up because people need more money to earn a living wage, then we should 100% do it. Everyone deserves a living wage.
America is the richest country in the world. We can afford to pay everyone a livable wage. The problem is that there are some extremely greedy oligarchs that have an addiction to greed, which in turn makes the lives of everyone else more difficult.
I refuse to tip on anything except things that are traditionally tipped, e.g. haircuts, non–fast food establishments, delivery, etc. I think it’s ridiculous how seemingly everything is expecting a tip now.
But, that being said, when I do tip, I tip exceedingly well. Typically a minimum of 80–100%. I know how much they rely on tips, and I love seeing them smile when they see the tip quantity. :)
Downside is I can’t afford to go those places or do those things very often. But what can you do? ¯\(•_•)/¯
I remember when it was 10%
Tipping only exists because people tip.
Tipping actually exists because it was an effective way to avoid paying newly freed slaves a fair wage. We just kept kept doing it because it became “what has always been done”.
I’ve quit tipping for the most part. Unless the service was top notch. I don’t tip on payment systems either. When I do tip, I tip the person not the pay app. I get dirty looks but since some businesses have started putting it on my bill I’ve stopped. Tipping doesn’t help the person who deserves the tip. It helps the businesses avoid paying the employee a decent wage.
You aren’t helping anyone. Ask a few servers what they think about your opinion.
Don’t care. I know its the solution. When it was voluntary, I tipped. Now that its some kind of requirement I refuse. The whole thing about tipping was to reward good service. When you got bad service you didn’t tip. Now its a farce. Now greedy businesses are using it to avoid paying a living wage. Tipping isn’t helping those people in any way. Its just guaranteeing they wont ever be paid enough.
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised to learn there’s a tablet being passed around so the office workers can tip the company that their company hired to clean this shit… I’m just mad I’m not seeing that money.
Don’t care.
That’s obvious.
I know its the solution.
Nah, you’re smart enough to know it isn’t. Not supporting those businesses is the solution if you truly believe they are engaging in bad practices.
Supporting them anyways, but fucking over the staff is just you being shitty.
I would ask you the solution but you don’t care if its ever solved and those hard working people get a fair deal.
He told you the solution, you didn’t need to ask. It was right there in the comment you’re replying to.
I get where you’re coming from, and I understand the frustration. But he is right, you’re only hurting the victims, not the perpetrators.
Don’t support businesses that directly engage in practices you claim to be against. Especially don’t support them and simultaneously make things worse for the staff while you do.
It’s not rocket science.
so those waitstaff don’t get tipped by you either way? How is not tipping them hurting them more than not going there?
That’s like crying about not tipping the waitress who didn’t serve you, because you weren’t in her section of the restaurant.
well, better eat twice, at two different tables, so that both staff get tipped.
How is supporting a business that engages in bad practices worse than not supporting it?
Hmm, that’s a real stumper.
Neither are you. Tipping culture needs to die, and it either starts with the waitresses unionizing or something similar, or when no one tips forcing the prior to happen.
Fucking over wait staff isn’t the way to achieve that, and patting yourself on the back for doing it is despicable.
“I hate the way this business operates as it hurts their staff. So I’m going to support the business while also hurting the staff”
What kind of sick logic is that?
I guess the best choice then is to just stop going to these places? Like the other guy said, it must be a better idea to simply not give any business to these types of businesses until they die.
Correct.
So in both cases the staff gets fucked, and you would rather they find a new job then to make their job better… Kay.
Workers get fucked when bad businesses close and better businesses take their place
Genius-level logic.
This message written from a computer; which was built using minerals mined from conflict areas blah blah-…
Don’t worry, I’m not actually blaming anyone on the topic of conflict minerals or anything; but I do think there are some issues/businesses where it’s not realistic to just not participate, and better to target better legislation to account for deceptive/evil businesses.
Agreed with your point that we just need to stop supporting businesses that use the the tip system. We also need to reward restaurants with our business for moving away from that great depression structure and pay livable wages. If a business can’t afford to pay it’s employees then that business shouldn’t exist. Tip culture these days is just a way for restaurants to advertise less for menu prices. Just raise your prices by 20% and pay that to the server.
Now there is a portion of servers that are against this, because they work in high scale fine dining places where they make more than 80% of other servers in diners and sports bars elsewhere, and that kinda sucks that they’d promote this antiquated system since it works for a select few.
Fucking over the tip staff is going to happen either way. It’s just one is a swift off with the head where the other one is a slow bleed.
It’s been interesting reading this comment chain because both sides share the same ideology as seems of wanting tipped culture to go away, it’s just they have vastly different opinions of how to do so.
Myself? I hate the tip structure as well. I tip for positions that require it so dine in and hair shops basically, but I believe that if everyone stop tipping at once the impact would be far less severe for the worker overall then if people just stopped going there. This is because when people stop going to an establishment there’s no clear Direction of why they’re no longer going to the establishment, so management may not correlate that with the pay structure of the employee so instead they’re going to reduce the hours on the employee while keeping the employee on payroll. On paper this sounds like a good idea, Until you realize that the employee is going to want to go elsewhere but they’re not going to want to risk their income Source by going elsewhere, so you now have a part-time employee who wants to find a job but is running into the same issue that people who work at Walmart have where every job out there who’s hiring for part-time wanrs open availability(open to close) and instantly by having that original job you’re finding yourself lower on the application list then the person who doesn’t have a job.
by just everyone refusing to tip, it’s very clear that their objecting the Mantra of tipped culture, and it will tell the worker that if they are not happy with the minimum wage that the establishment is willing to pay, that they need to start looking elsewhere, while also not lowering that employees hours due to the fact that customers are still coming to the establishment. The only difference is the employee is now making the minimum wage and the establishment is now paying the full wage no longer being subsidized by the customer.
I believe that everyone just no longer tipping in general is better because the worker while making less an hour (assuming tips make higher than min wage) is still working full shifts while being able to look for a job on the side. Where with everyone no longer going not only is the worker making less because they’re not getting the tip money, but they’re also working less while being given a lower priority on the application list.
This only works when everyone refuses to tip. Some guy going to a restaurant, not tipping, and leaving me with the minimum of $2.13 just makes my day worse. The business does not care. That’s why I left service in the first place. I’ve had a $0 tip four times in one night before through no fault of my own (the patrons had even complimented me), but making enough to cover that minimum wage difference of only $5 an hour over the course of the week left absolutely no change for the company. A person can’t claim to have the moral high ground by refusing to tip because eventually it’ll be better that way.
They don’t care about the actual workers, just being able to claim the moral high-ground while keeping some extra cash in their pockets.
It’s disgusting.
I get what you’re saying and I still begrudgingly tip every time unless the service is terrible which is rare. But if people boycott these businesses instead of going and not tipping wouldn’t that be just as bad if not worse for service workers than not tipping at all?
For example, if 80 percent of the people who regularly patronize restaurants stopped going, wouldn’t a lot of these businesses close resulting in these people losing their jobs entirely? It’s not a likely scenario but it’s an interesting thought experiment.
That’s a lot of mental gymnastics to do to justify supporting businesses that engage in practices you claim to be against.
Let them close and let new businesses with better practices take their place.
Really think about what you’re saying here: that continuing to support these businesses, but fucking over the staff is the moral high-ground.
You’re assuming that it’s my responsibility to directly pay these people’s wages. I do but it’s a dumb argument that I disagree with. “let the businesses close and new ones open with better practices” is tantamount to saying “let these people find better jobs that don’t rely on tips to make a somewhat livable wage.”
You’re assuming that it’s my responsibility to directly pay these people’s wages.
It’s part of the current cost structure if you choose to go out and have your meal made for you and served to you. Don’t like it, don’t eat there. Simple as.
is tantamount to saying “let these people find better jobs that don’t rely on tips to make a somewhat livable wage.”
No, it’s literally saying let bad business die and better businesses replace them. The rest is your bullshit spin so you can feel better about fucking over wait staff.
Former server, but still: no-tippers stung for about five minutes but I almost always forgot about them by the end of the night. The only times I’d remember if someone didn’t tip was if they’d made a fuss beforehand, but if you were quiet and just didn’t leave a tip, I’d assume you just didn’t have the money and forget about it.
Most servers won’t tell you this, but they’re usually making several times over what they’d realistically be getting for a wage (think $20-$50/hr on a given night). One table isn’t killing them.
I’m actually surprised I’m not asked to tip the cashier when I buy gas at the pump…
I only tip when on vacation in countries like Vietnam. Since a few euros is a lot of money there.
Anywhere else not.
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