cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218551
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218550
(posting to both communities)
A carnist lemmy world instance admin has stepped in and meatsplained to the mods while restoring comments that violated the community’s rules. They deleted comments that they did not agree with, citing ‘misinformation’, and threatened to demod the mods if those comments were removed again. The comments were deleted and the admin was banned from the community as per violating the rules of the community, that was until they unbanned themselves (admin abuse) and unmodded two of the moderators because of “promoting harmfull actions against pets”.
As far as it stands, if the lemmy world community wasn’t already not a safe vegan place for you (it really wasn’t) it most certainly isn’t now as carnists (lemmy world instance admin) currently mod it.
I suggest any vegan who wants a safe and welcoming space to come and interact with vegantheoryclub.org. Sorry for any inconvienance that this may have caused. I am deeply upset at the admins actions today and don’t condone them whatsoever.
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Feed your pets their fucking meat for God’s sake.
Meat is not required for pets as there is enough studies to suggest this conclusion. 1 billion people are employed in animal agriculture so there is a strong conflict of interest occurring here.
Cats are obligate carnivores. If they don’t eat meat, they will get sick and die. This doesn’t apply to dogs.
Veganism is valid, but it does conflict with some pet ownership.
If cats do not consume taurine they will die. This does not mean they need meat.
Yes, veganism sees “pets” as companion animals.
They aren’t your companions, you are exploiting them for companionship. These meat eating pets can’t consent to a vegan diet, they are also not ethically required by their choice to not engage in the meat system.
That’s your choice, you are forcing that choice on an animal that isn’t getting anything from you they wouldn’t get with a non-vegan pet owner, your love isn’t special.
You could ethically choose to keep any number of naturally vegan animals. You selfishly choose to keep a cat or a dog cause you like them more.
Shit is messed up in my opinion and you buried the lead with your post. I’m glad other people were around to give context to this.
There’s still an abundance of cats that need adopting that will likely be killed if they can’t get a permanent home. I kinda agree it’s best as a vegan to specifically choose adopting an animal that can also live happily on a vegan diet.
However, if the choice is between adopting a cat and not adopting at all, wouldn’t the greater good still be adopting, especially if you choose a cat that might typically have a hard time finding fosters? (Cats with injuries, or special needs, or black cats, for example.)
A vegan would destroy another invasive animal that is wiping out the local ecology in a heartbeat if that was the only “practicable and practical” option.
Strictly adhering to veganism correctly sees companionship animals as animal exploitation. Pets are not vegan.
Meatsplained? Sucks you guys lost your community, but that is one of the dumbest words I’ve ever had the privilege of reading.
That’s exactly what a carnist blood-mouth would say! /s
(I am a vegan, but the insults that I have seen from the vegan communities here are all hilarious)
That would be a good band name, “Blood-Mouth and the Carnists” opening for “The Meatsplainers”!
I cracked up when I read it.
Vegans and anti vegans seem to spend a lot of time on names
Seriously. I stopped reading after “meatsplained” and now am rooting for the admin.
You mean community.
Was this some dumbass saying dogs and cats can be fine with a vegan diet? Because that is 100% Grade A bullshit and the admin’s actions were justified.
Dogs can survive and thrive on a vegan diet, as long as it’s fairly carefully tailored; dogs are not obligate carnivores, and the essential amino acids that they can’t make themselves are available from non-animal sources.
Cats are obligate carnivores; the only natural source for at least one essential amino acid they need is meat. (I’m not sure which amino acid(s) it is, off the top of my head. Taurine? Lysine? Something else?) In theory you could heavily supplement a cat that was on a vegan diet and not kill it, but given that bioavailability of supplements isn’t the same as that of whole foods, I wouldn’t bet a life on it.
Have you looked at the research. Idk about cats, but research suggests for dogs it is okay. Dogs aren’t wolves anymore.
Please do not use ad hominems in your argument as we need to keep the discussion civil.
There are numerous studies suggesting that the plant-based diet is safe for dogs.
However for cats there are less studies, there are papers that suggest it is also safe for cats as long as taurine is provided in the diet.
That’s not an ad hominem, just a regular insult.
For what it worth, the mods at vegan community are also deleting comment disagreeing with their point of view. It’s one thing to accuse rooki for power abuse, which i tend to agree as admin should be impartial to their ruling and not demote/remove based on emotion, but it’s ironic that the mod also did the exact same thing they accuse rooki for. Lesson here is, don’t fucking abuse power based on your emotion and then whine about it after losing that privilege. It’s a very highschool drama this one is.
Every vegan community I’ve ever visited has been such a strong echo chamber that they give atheists a run for their money.
They will not tolerate discussion that is not in full agreement.
Just ignore the vegans like you ignore a random person on the street yelling about some nonsense.
It is a vegan community you’re talking about it should appeal to vegans and to the safety of animals first and foremost. People were coming into our community promoting violence against the other animals.
Experiment on yourself all you want, but not your companion who depends on you. This is not a great subject to gather support from a larger audience with.
That being said, controversial subjects need to be discussed, not deleted. Nobody was intentionally trying to harm animals here. These actions don’t feel right
That is a strawman. As there are numerous studies on how the vegan diet is safe for all stages of human life.
It is also proven to be safe for dogs and cats.
That’s not a strawman. You should review your knowledge of informal logical fallacies and be certain of their application before leveling accusations of them at people, even if you really disagree with them.
I don’t care what community we’re talking about, we’re discussing powermod/poweradmin here so i do care about the action of the mod and if you think just because you’re vegan you get to be exempted by common sense, then you’re mistaken. People are talking about food for pets, not for human consumption, it’s still a hot topic that you yourself said it’s less studied and can’t even be sure if it’s safe to do so, discussion amongst the community are needed, not swept under the rug. You guys are getting criticised here not because of being vegan, but because of the action you guys take, stop using veganism as your shield and looking like a bunch of imbecile.
People said veganism isn’t a religion but this looks more and more like one.
I’m just surprised how many people think veganism and ‘owning’ a pet are reproachable. Imho they are not
On top of that if you do ‘own’ an animal, why do you let your own philosophy trump their joy and wellbeing.
Afaik cats and dogs couldn’t be happier with a meaty treat. Why disallow that?
Pets are not vegan in the first place but only 5% of vegans will admit that.
I literally banned the lemmy world instance admin for saying otherwise, but they reversed it. “Owning” another animal is not vegan and is speciesist. I’ve only seen carnists go on about “vegan pet ownership”.
Animals belong in the wild in the vegan world.
I think I trust Kitten Lady over a bunch of randos on the Threadiverse. Video
gerbils, mice and bunbuns are herbivores, and need homes too. They‘d make great vegan buddies
Don’t trust randos on the internet you should read studies on the matter.
Okay, I’ll start by not trusting you.
I don’t blame you it’s natural to distrust the radical from your point of view.
I watched your video, and she makes a number of logical errors. She correctly identifies that cats need diets that are nutritionally complete, but then jumps to the conclusion that cats need to eat meat. They don’t. They need to consume the nutrients that have traditionally been found in meat. She overlooks that vegan cat foods are specifically designed to contain all these nutrients, thus making them nutritionally complete.
While I generally agree that vegans shouldn’t adopt cats if possible, Kitten Lady seems to be talking out of her ass.
The comments were deleted and the admin was banned from the community as per violating the rules of the community
It’s a bold strategy Cotton
carnist misinformation
meatsplained
Lmao are these people serious
It’s so funny that they’re the largest instance. Only see incredible decisions coming out of there.
I actually agree in general, but this is like the one time in recent memory I have felt like whole heartedly cheering on the Lemmy.world administration team
If some other instance wants to scoop up the animal abuse demographic now that they are ejected from .world, I think we will all survive
If some other instance wants to scoop up the animal abuse demographic now that they are ejected from .world, I think we will all survive
That is misrepresenting the situations as vegans are the ones reducing animal abuse by not buying animals products and for holding those who do accountable.
A philosophy that should not be forced on another animal against their nature.
There’s some hypocrisy here!
That is the no true scotsman fallacy. I could also say that bringing animals into our homes when they were originally from the wild is the hypocrisy here.
Seeing vegans and the Lemmy.World admin team fighting… yes, let the hate flow through you and destroy each other.
Well for us vegans we’re fighting for love. The animals deserve to be protected.
Then feed them a proper diet. If you love animals, treat them well and don’t fight for your right to spread disinformation that harms them
not a vegan but you should be able to have your own space.
Nobody should have a space where they get to spread disinformation that harms pets
yeah because they’re such cruel fucking people, those heartless vegans abusing animals lol…
look man, I get it, you have bones with the veggies and the vegans and THIS IS THE ONE PLACE where you can get some kind of moral high ground on 'em, and you really want to rub it in their faces at every opportunity.
I don’t know who those vegans even are, the vast, vast majority of vegans I know are pet owners who feed their cats and their dogs kibble. None of them are trying to ‘convert’ their pets, and none of them look at pet ownership as ‘the enslavement of an animal for the purposes of ownership’.
all y’all need to fucking calm yoselfs. jfc, get a grip.
They are literally spreading disinformation. Vegan cat food isn’t good for cats. They are abusing their cats if they feed them that. Tf is your point?
you are literally hyperventilating over this.
It’s kind of a huge deal if the mods of a community are working to promote disinformation that harms cats and censoring any dissenting opinion about it. I’d rather cats not be malnourished bc of a bunch of pissy vegans who want to force their ideology onto an animal that can’t handle it
lmao at all the carnists in this thread scrambling to justify animal abuse so they can still feel like a good person
Not feeding cats and dogs meat is animal abuse.
Eating cows is not.
Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
Sorry for all the hate your getting because some people’s brains are programmed to think vegan=bad. Sounds like a major overstep by admins.
They’re not being downvoted for their veganism, they’re being downvoted for their defence of animal abuse.
(Same reason the lemmy.world admin seems to have taken these actions; as much as I despise lemmy.world admins and their attempts to bring everything bad from reddit to lemmy, in this particular case they seem to have been in the right, if maybe excessively hamfisted as they tend to be).
