“I must preserve my echo chamber!”
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It depends. Defederation for good reasons is good, defederation for bad or false reasons is generally bad.
As an example, having a strict and democratic defederation/federation policy has contributed to Hexbear having the most active trans community on Lemmy, and it’s a good thing that there’s an actively protected trans space free from bigotry.
At the same time, defederating from instances for political reasons under the guise of other reasons is generally a bad thing.
It’s largely context dependent.
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I mean, “bad” in this case is completely subjective. There are large trans communities on other instances (blahaj being the most obvious one) and they have their reasons for defederating from Hexbear.
Hexbear defederated from blahaj, not the other way around. Either way, Hexbear remains the most active trans community on Lemmy.
I understand why anticommunist instances like Lemmy.world defederate from Hexbear, I just don’t think it will help Lemmy.world in the long run, as Lemmy itself by nature is going to attract Communists due to its structure.
I dunno, I feel like anyone drawn to Lemmy for that reason will find lemmy.ml nearly as easily. If world suffers because of bad practices, well, that’s the way it goes. At least the fediverse lives on.
They will, yes, but not always. Apps like Voyager assume .world as the default, causing friction when leftists join and run into silencing of their views.
Lemmy.ml is interesting, it’s a reference to Marxism-Leninism, but it doesn’t require users to be Communists like Lemmygrad, or leftists in general like Hexbear, hence the active population on Hexbear.
0·17 days agoLemmy.ml is interesting, it’s a reference to Marxism-Leninism
Is it really? Others have said it isn’t, that it’s just because .ml domains were free.
Honestly .world should have just blocked the most common shiposting Hexbear comms like chapotraphouse and dunk_tank as these are what most users found annoying. And I believe ther are more leftists on .world than one might think. There’s a great games comm on Hexbear too, and downvote away on the leftist game posts - Hexbear doesn’t have downvotes anyway!
The problem is that Lemmy.world doesn’t want Communists using their communities, not that their users shouldn’t be exposed to Communist posts, because they wanted homogenous liberalism.
There are some leftists on .world, but they usually leave in favor of leftist instances from what I have personally seen.
Absolutely agree about Hexbear’s games comm, easily the best gaming comm on Lemmy.
Well that’s definitely your own experience on federated platforms, but I wasn’t speaking to that circumstance. I made a mastodon account and criticized our government’s massive funding of Israel in spite of our lack of critical infrastructure and healthcare and got spammed with “Israel has a right to defend itself, and you 're a trumper if you think otherwise” type comments by people that post one response and then immediately block you. Which is laughable and couldn’t be further from the truth. That is the perpetual echo chamber I was referring to from my personal experience.
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Are positive, liberal LGBT communities echo chambers
Could be, especially if there aren’t a multitude of sentiments there. That doesn’t mean all sentiments must be present of course.
Are they not allowed a collective space to hang out without having to explain themselves all the time
I don’t think anyone said they aren’t allowed to have such a space.
You’re in an echo chamber if you curate your home feed to only show one opinion and then never change it; it doesn’t matter what the opinion is
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How?
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HOW DARE YOU HAVE A MODERATELY DISSENTING VOICE, YOU LITERAL NAZI?!?!
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Oh literal Nazis can get fucked. My point is that you can disagree on topics and that health discourse is good
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It’s ironically more about certain instances creating echo chambers through constant censorship.
Imagine an instance full of Nazi’s that only ever let’s Nazi posts stick. Is this if any value, or would defederating improve the quality of your experience?
You’re talking about Exploding Heads, which has been defederated by pretty much everybody.
I’d like to come to your house and take a shit in your bed.
Hope you get the help you need 🙏
Just bring TP, not Hope.
There’s moderation and there’s making it into an echo chamber. Seems like a difference many don’t understand.
seems like nitpicking to me.
I don’t know if you’re joking or proving my point
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Lemmy.ml is federated with the vast majority of major instances, moreso than others like Lemmy.world. What are you trying to say?
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Still doesn’t make sense, Lemmy.ml doesn’t constantly threaten to defederate from other instances over political reasons
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At least you acknowledge it’s dumb
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Might be good to add an
/s, considering how common that is on the anti-communist servers.Except it wasn’t sarcastic
yunno, on second thought, maybe i don’t want to be using a social platform where communism is expressly the default stance
If you love Capitalism and Liberalism I know just the platform for you: Reddit.com
Man that seems to be way more active than this one
The structure of Lemmy itself is built on Communist principles, you’re going to have Communists even if you try to block Communist instances.
we could defederate i guess
I’ve never heard of pawb.social
It’s an instance for furries.
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Yeah but not by a user from ml
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Why would someone who doesn’t like blocking and de-federation like “federated platforms”?
Yeah part of the point of this is that it’s not a free speech zone unless you want a free speech instance. I prefer a more curated against bigots experience. Others don’t. Still others prefer other forms of curation. Federation means we can all talk to each other as long as we stay within boundaries of what others will stay federated with.
I think it depends on what you disagree with. If one is promoting going after our neighbors, hunting them down and killing them? Yeah, defederate. If another is Meta trying to take over the federation. Yeah, I vote defederate. If one thinks Hawaiian pizza is a travesty and the other doesn’t, hold your horses.
free speech also applies to lemmy servers. If the server doesn’t agree with most of what’s on your server, they can and should have the option to not associate with your server at all. This honestly sounds like a shit take elon would have made.
Some places suck.
Some places suck, by design.
Reducing criticism of systemic problems to “just because you disagree” is dishonest… and indicative.
“You censored me for my opinion”
“What opinion was it?”
“…”
“What opinion was it Anakin?”
sigh All because of woke! It’s like you can’t even be civilized and manifest destiny in peace anymore… sarcasm
I see no problem with blocking users for their belief that I should be slaughtered over the sin of checks comments being born in the USA.
And I see no problem blocking instances where they gather.
You do realize that was most likely a joke comment, right? The genocidal US Empire is awful, but the idea that some online Communist thinks you should die purely from being from the US is silly.
Buddy your country has killed tens if not over a hundred million people in the conquest of war for hegemonic power and resource control across the globe. Someone on the internet hurt your feelings when making a joke. Obviously those two things are the same. 🙄
Read Fanon
I defederated lemmy.world because I don’t feel like hosting and re transmitting US propaganda.
It is kinda surprising how much obvious propaganda makes it onto Lemmy, for example those memes that aren’t really memes as much as “haha this opinion wrong”
Lemmy itself is largely made up of Communists, Anarchists, and liberals fleeing Reddit.
This is a very political place, even compared to Reddit where there’s a shitload of politics
I think it’s just as much a hivemind if not moreso than Reddit. Also, probably way easier to make bots for too
let people defederate idgaf
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When Musk took over Twitter he allowed violent and extremist views to flood it without moderation.
That’s the sort of community Lemmy would be if we didn’t have the tools needed to keep it clean of harmful ideologies.
You mean like Exploding Heads? I agree, fuck Nazis.
When nazis start enforcing their ideology I will raise arms, until then your sentiment closely resembles the goal of propagandists on these sites: create division and cause violence.
What are you talking about? Exploding Heads is a literal Nazi Lemmy Instance that was defederated by pretty much every major instance.
Or are you going on an Anticommunist rant?
I have no context about the community, I assumed you were advocating for exploding heads of political enemies as a way of keeping feeds clean, because the comment explicitly reads as such.
There is nothing communist about Nazis, just like theres nothing Democratic about the DPRK.
I have no context about the community, I assumed you were advocating for exploding heads of political enemies as a way of keeping feeds clean, because their comment explicitly reads as such.
That’s certainly a leap. Exploding Heads is a Nazi Lemmy Instance.
There is nothing communist about Nazis, just like theres nothing Democratic about the DPRK.
So it was a random anticommunist rant, unprovoked, lmao
If anything I said seems anticommunist to you then clearly you don’t know what communism is.
You should start referring to the nazi community “exploding heads” as “the nazi community “exploding heads”” if you dont want people to think of heads which are exploding.
I know quite well what Communism is, thank you very much. You’re openly pro-NATO and anti-Communist.
And those harmful ideologies are.?
White Supremacy, Anti-immigrant, Anti-Trade, Anti-NATO, Anti-human-rights for LGBT, etc.
Anti-Trade
What does this mean?
Anti-NATO
It’s good to be Anti-NATO, NATO has Nazi origins and serves as a way to maintain Western Hegemony, securing profits via Imperialism and defending said Imperialism through coalition.
Lmao
Mutual defense and deterrent to invasion by hostile world powers both in and outside of NATO is a bad thing? Sure, okay pal.
- George Washington U’s National Security Archive 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.
- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2024: The 2024 NATO Declaration The Deadly Strategy of Neoconservatism
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Also, don’t send us reports just because you don’t agree with someone. We’re not here to censor people for you.
Oh no! So you want to talk about how the mutual self defence pact is somehow oppressing you or will you just keep dodging forever?
Reason: User threatens me not to report his alt accounts for misinformation again
What alt accounts? What are you even talking about? That’s two bullshit reports in one day, wasting our time.
Reason: Claimes NATO forces other nations into subservience.
It’s an alliance between Imperialist countries, and the alliance itself has Nazi origins and has had Nazi leaders. Yes, it’s a bad thing, because Imperialism is a bad thing.
It’s a gang of countries that hyper-exploit the Global South in mutual defense against said Global South.
It’s literally only function is a deterrent to war, including by members against others as they will not gain NATO support unless they are attacked.
Its members might exploit, but thats a meaningless statement about NATO itself because without NATO there would literally be more war.
It’s literally only function is a deterrent to war, including by members against others as they will not gain NATO support unless they are attacked.
It’s expansionist against the wishes of outside countries, and NATO exerts military pressure on the Global South.
Its members might exploit, but thats a meaningless statement about NATO itself because without NATO there would literally be more war.
Bzzzzt wrong. NATO’s only function is to preserve Western Hegemony and dominate the Global South militarily, so that member-States can continue exploiting ruthlessly unopposed. This results in proxy wars, such as the Israeli genocide of Palestinians.
it’s lemmyworld… they’ll never learn that they aren’t on reddit anymore.
Ah yes, free trade, the thing that improved the economies of ex-communist countries after the USSRs collapse and is on the path to fixing almost every African nations poverty.
Ah yes, NATO, the “we will only call for (and maybe possibly do something to enforce) human rights if it’s convenient for us” alliance. And I’m sure all it’s member nations have squeaky clean track records when it comes to international politics.
We must ban anyone against these things! That’s dangerous extremist ideology
anti-NATO
A “harmful ideology”? Is someone paying you to spout this propaganda?
NATO’s only function is mutual defense, NATO support ends when a member attacks.
Since the only thing NATO does is prevent War, the only anti-NATO stance is a pro-war stance.
The invasion of Libya was a NATO-led effort.
Stop lying.
Are you referring to the coalition of some NATO members and some non-NATO members (19 nations total) enforcing a United Nations Security Council decision to make an immediate ceasefire and end the civil war in Libya?
The one with zero troops on the ground?
Being in NATO had no impact on the events, NATO member support was not mandatory as per the terms of NATO. The only reason they even call it a NATO operarion was because Itally would only vote in favor of the operation if NATO members were in charge instead of France.
The reason for NATO’s involvement is quite irrelevant because they were still happy to step in and do the work. The fact is that it was ultimately NATO-led and their efforts did not lead to peace in the region.
To call NATO’s involvement in Libya ‘anti-war’ is sheer lunacy.
I’ve got bad news for you: a lot of us are anti-NATO.
Also, what the hell is anti-trade? Do you want every Westphalian state to build a wall around itself?
Edit to add: Oh I see, you created this new account because @FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today got permabanned from lemmy.ml 😂 Let’s see how long this one lasts…
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Who do you think are supporting those?
Elon Musk, owner of Xitter
The fuck is that question?
In context of lemmy… Really quick to anger
Have yet to personally block any instances. So far I think the closest I’ve come is blocking a spider community because fuck those hell spawns and a Minecraft community or two.
Edit:
Found out there’s more than I remember being blocked. Multiple mc communities, a cock community (, because that stuff ain’t for me and I remember accidentally clicking on one post from there by accident), a pussy community because I don’t come here for porn, a Sintendo community, some bikinibottomtwitter or something similarly named community (you can guess why), and for some reason an xbox community (couldn’t tell you why).
Also, I noticed for some reason I have someone from a different instance that I cannot remember why I blocked. Some guy from lemmt(dot)tf, so I have absolutely no clue since I have no idea what that instance is like, let alone remember anything about that account.
🥺 not the spiders
As an arachnophobe, I personally made it my mission to block that community without looking so I’d never have to see it again. Can’t stand spiders.
If you have arachnophobia then it’s understandable 😔
Defederation is weak sauce. Just block/tag accounts that aren’t willing to engage in good faith, and your page clears up pretty quickly.
At the end of the day, there aren’t even that many people stirring the pot. They’re just unhealthily active.
In aggregate; 5 instances, less than 5 communities, and more than 69, nice, blocked users.
I don’t mess around. I don’t hesitate to block people who argue needlessly, make my experience less informational or less entertaining, troll, or disregard arguments made in foundational logic to push a point of view or ‘win the argument’. Similarly my instance ignores downvotes and does not display them; as with most platforms which behave similarly to reddit; they simply do not work outside of your personal, local account, local instance, user-sorting context.
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