It’s only “voting bad” if you only care about this one, single issue. Compared to Biden or Trump, Harris’s platform includes a lot of things I really want, so I’m going to vote for her - not because I have to, but because I want to. Yes, I’d greatly prefer her stance on Gaza was different, but this is not a Biden situation where I’m voting for him because there’s no other option. If you refuse to vote for someone because you don’t like literally 100% of their platform, you’ll never cast another vote in your life. I’m honestly kind of tired of this “If you vote democrat, you’re supporting genocide!” stance; it’s tired, reductionist, and not helpful to anyone. Even if you convince enough people to vote third party that Trump wins, does that help Gaza? No, it makes the situation worse.
This whole discourse reminds me of some pro-Bush Jr. Family members who were complaining during those elections that the fiscal plan they liked (which caused the crash in 2008, but whatever) had been tied to trying to appease the single issue voters who cared about limiting abortion and LGBTQIA+ rights. This all or noting stance about Gaza feels just as singularly focused as those wingnuts.
Well, this is an American election? There’s only so much one president can do about the actions of another sovereign nation. In fact, a lot of progressives wish the US would do less
Your bad faith argument will not deter me. You are right, there are other things to worry about. I fear for the women in my life that may no longer have access to the reproductive health care they deserve. I fear for my LGBT friends who may no longer have the rights they deserve. I’ll easily turn a blind eye to something happening a half a world away so the people nearest and dearest to me can continue to exist. I hope for the safety of Palestinians - but I will not cut off my nose to spite my face.
Yikes. I’m disengaging now. You’ve baselessly called me a white supremacist, insulted the company in which I keep, put words in my mouth, and downplayed very real threats because the threat isn’t a bomb. It’s clear you can’t be communicated with. See you in another life!
I’m saying you think it’s normal to be unconcerned about brown people being genocided because you’ve grown up in a white supremacist culture which continues to portray non-Western cultures as primitive savages who ought to be subordinated by white people, with force if necessary.
There are two possible outcomes in this election. Neither are good for Gaza, but one is worse. Voting third party (if you’d normally vote democrat) is indirectly supporting Trump, who is the worse of the two options for Gaza.
Voting 3rd party to try and make a point is not helping the situation.
If you want to actually make a difference, get out there and protest, write letters to politicians, make phone calls - make sure they know what you want. People voting 3rd party doesn’t do any good if they don’t know why those people are voting 3rd party.
They could look back on this in 4 years, see a lot of third party voters, and assume it’s because Harris isn’t white, or because she’s a woman, or because of any number of other reasons. The only way they’ll know what your opinion is on this matter is if you tell them.
Protests have been getting a ton of media attention. I wouldn’t say they’re ineffective at all. I’d say they’re the most effective thing you could be doing.
Hey Americans, don’t vote for 3rd parties that oppose the mass murder in Gaza, because in the 2-party state, voting bad is not as bad as voting worse.
It’s only “voting bad” if you only care about this one, single issue. Compared to Biden or Trump, Harris’s platform includes a lot of things I really want, so I’m going to vote for her - not because I have to, but because I want to. Yes, I’d greatly prefer her stance on Gaza was different, but this is not a Biden situation where I’m voting for him because there’s no other option. If you refuse to vote for someone because you don’t like literally 100% of their platform, you’ll never cast another vote in your life. I’m honestly kind of tired of this “If you vote democrat, you’re supporting genocide!” stance; it’s tired, reductionist, and not helpful to anyone. Even if you convince enough people to vote third party that Trump wins, does that help Gaza? No, it makes the situation worse.
This whole discourse reminds me of some pro-Bush Jr. Family members who were complaining during those elections that the fiscal plan they liked (which caused the crash in 2008, but whatever) had been tied to trying to appease the single issue voters who cared about limiting abortion and LGBTQIA+ rights. This all or noting stance about Gaza feels just as singularly focused as those wingnuts.
So 40 000 innocent Gazans will be killed for the greater good.
Well, this is an American election? There’s only so much one president can do about the actions of another sovereign nation. In fact, a lot of progressives wish the US would do less
Stop. Selling. Them. Weapons.
Selling? I think you mean giving.
If genocide isn’t someone’s red line, they’re in no position to be voting.
Even if I supported 99% of Harris’s agenda, if the remaining 1% is genocide, that’s gonna be a problem for me.
You’re a single-issue voter. That’s fine. But some of us aren’t.
Yeah, some of us are fine with letting genocide slide. There are other things to worry about, you know.
Your bad faith argument will not deter me. You are right, there are other things to worry about. I fear for the women in my life that may no longer have access to the reproductive health care they deserve. I fear for my LGBT friends who may no longer have the rights they deserve. I’ll easily turn a blind eye to something happening a half a world away so the people nearest and dearest to me can continue to exist. I hope for the safety of Palestinians - but I will not cut off my nose to spite my face.
So you can’t even accept that there are real people who genuinely care about the Gazans.
That says a lot about you and the company you keep. (And, to be fair, the entire white supremacist culture of the United States.)
I would bet dollars to dimes that your tune would be different if it were a white country being genocided.
You would never be this unconcerned about Ukraine.
The people near you are not in any of danger of being deliberately wiped out by American bombs. The people in Gaza are.
(But they’re brown people, so I understand why it’s hard for you to feel concerned.)
Yikes. I’m disengaging now. You’ve baselessly called me a white supremacist, insulted the company in which I keep, put words in my mouth, and downplayed very real threats because the threat isn’t a bomb. It’s clear you can’t be communicated with. See you in another life!
I’m saying you think it’s normal to be unconcerned about brown people being genocided because you’ve grown up in a white supremacist culture which continues to portray non-Western cultures as primitive savages who ought to be subordinated by white people, with force if necessary.
There are two possible outcomes in this election. Neither are good for Gaza, but one is worse. Voting third party (if you’d normally vote democrat) is indirectly supporting Trump, who is the worse of the two options for Gaza.
Voting 3rd party to try and make a point is not helping the situation.
If you want to actually make a difference, get out there and protest, write letters to politicians, make phone calls - make sure they know what you want. People voting 3rd party doesn’t do any good if they don’t know why those people are voting 3rd party.
They could look back on this in 4 years, see a lot of third party voters, and assume it’s because Harris isn’t white, or because she’s a woman, or because of any number of other reasons. The only way they’ll know what your opinion is on this matter is if you tell them.
Writing letters to politicians and making phone calls isn’t going to do shit, they only answer the money and we don’t have it.
So it’ll do as much as screaming into the void on Lemmy - got it!
Well, you have to vote for Harris, protests are ineffective, as is posting on lemmy.
Ever notice that the only option is always stfu?
Protests have been getting a ton of media attention. I wouldn’t say they’re ineffective at all. I’d say they’re the most effective thing you could be doing.
Yeah, just look at how that needle has moved from “unconditional support for genocide” to “unconditional support for genocide.”