How is this NOT election interference ?
They’re paying people to collect signatures… not for the signatures themselves. This is specifically allowed in most (all?) states for organizations to be able to pay people a wage to spend the time collecting signatures for ballot initiatives. Most states require the person collecting signatures to be registered with the state if they are being paid however. So unless they’re doing that and sponsoring and registering every person collecting these signatures with the State, they are likely still violating the law there. Volunteer unpaid circulators don’t have to be registered, but if you’re getting paid for it, you’re probably required to be registered to an organization that’s responsible for what you do.
Note: This is usually done via a standard hourly wage, or a price per sheet of good signatures. Many sigs (I’ve seen 1/3 to 1/2) are thrown out because the requirements are extremely strict for processing. A good signature or sheet of signatures can be completely invalidated by an error made by the person collecting it, or because it’s on a page with the wrong county listed (even though every signature line also requires an address to verify). Simple errors unrelated to signatures get entire pages thrown out.
Source: Was trained and registered as a paid petition circulator with the State of Arizona earlier this year.
Wow , really appreciate this answer.
The whole thing to me is unsettling because of how gamified and crowd sourced it is. As if it’s some sort of gofundme page
Oh it definitely skirts the line.
https://apps.azsos.gov/apps/election/circulatorportal/
Pursuant to Arizona Law (A.R.S. § 19-118; A.R.S. § 16-321; A.R.S. § 19-205.01), a circulator must register with the Secretary of State’s Office if the circulator:
- is not a resident of this state and will circulate candidate petitions, recall petitions, or statewide initiative or referendum petitions,
- is paid to circulate recall petitions, statewide initiative or referendum petitions (whether or not the circulator is a resident of this state).
Thinking about it more, and looking more into what’s actually being done however… this doesn’t appear to an official petition of any kind as far as I can see. It’s basically a petition.org page, and just as useless. And they’re paying people for it. Free money to sign people up for unlimited bullshit emails and junk mail from the MAGA team forever.
Also, it seems this tweet was deleted? I can’t find it on Elon’s page anymore, unless it’s just their bullshit algorithm putting other shit on top now instead of being obviously chronological.
Oh it is. It’s just that Trump is doing SO much illegal shit, he’s overloading our system of law to the point where it can’t keep up anymore.
He won’t live long enough for our system to prosecute him for everything- so he’s going for broke.
Same in Hungary, where anti-hate speech laws are only being enforced seldom, and the last such incident was due to an opposition politician saying “heterosexual white christian man” on TV, while the now doxxed editors of kuruc info can still deny the holocaust on their foreign hosted webshite, that is also being partly funded by a Florida Republican (of course).
I heard a really depressing podcast the other day about all the cooperation between Republicans and Orban. They’re well on their way to destroying democracy here as well.
They’ll fix it retroactively once they get to power
Southern states have had their judiciary replaced with incompetents and yes-men. Regulatory agencies in many states are entirely broken.
Weeeeellllllllll does your bank account have seemingly 10000 lifetimes worth of money? That’ll tell you if it’s legal or not for you to do it.
Rules? Where we’re going we don’t need rules.
I live in a swing state. Are we saying I could offer registered voters $20 for their signatures and turn a profit?
Assuming Elon actually pays, sure.
Totally unrelated fun fact: Twitter HQ moved because Elon refused to pay rent and got evicted.
Good point.
I think it’s drawn at porn/prostitution lines. You cant pay for a signature but you can pay someone to get signatures.
What are autographs, then?
IDK what uoure asking
You said you can’t pay for signatures, then how are autographs legal?
I think it’s technically a drawing.
So report it to the FEC. What’s the question?
https://www.fec.gov/legal-resources/enforcement/complaints-process/how-to-file-complaint-with-fec/
Not sure it breaks any laws, but I love how they show how slow the process would be. The election would be over before any of it mattered, and if Trump won, it’s federal so he could pardon any of it.
See below. It would take minimum 50 days just to start the process… Which isn’t even anything but letters at that point.
“Notice to respondents Within five days after receiving a proper complaint, OGC sends each respondent a copy of the complaint and a description of the Commission’s compliance procedures. The respondent has 15 days from the date of receipt to respond in writing, explaining why no action should be taken. In the case of a complaint that does not satisfy the requirements, the respondent nevertheless receives a copy of the complaint and an explanation that the complainant has 15 days to correct the complaint. If the complainant corrects and refiles the complaint, the respondent is sent a copy of the corrected complaint and is given 15 days to submit a response to the Commission.”
They really didn’t think this pardon thing through, did they?
Even if they didn’t, what does it matter? If you’re at that point you have much bigger problems…
Paying people for votes is very much against the law. And Trump’s shitty behavior doesn’t really mean Elon’s bullshit shouldn’t be reported. You think Trump’s going to pardon these morons for their participation? He pardoned two cabinet/campaign members from his original bid for office rather than the reelection debacle, both of which were from the Mueller investigation. He pardoned none of the co-conspirators for his 2020 re-election antics. Trump only does favors for people that are valuable to him, and Elon’s worthless for anything but his money and his access to the raw twitter firehose.
corruption yes, but what’s to stop an organized group, having one member refer the other hundred members, split the money, then not vote the way the pledge is implying they should. (democrats do support the Constitution, some could argue more than the maga lip service)
. * wink *
not saying anyone should do it… purely theoretical thought experiment
. * wink wink *
At best you’ll get a lifelong avalanche of mental illness-inducing spam to your mailbox, phone, text, and email.
At worst you’ll get money taken from your bank account without your knowledge. I wouldn’t trust anything that has to do with Trump with your bank account info, even as a joke.
I don’t understand why Elon is fighting for free speech while at the same time banning people on his platform for saying certain words like cis, anything leftist and anyone saying anything bad about him. When Elon is so pro free speech, why not stop the censorship on his own platform?
Conservatives are passionate about “free speech” because “free speech” is much more politically viable than “calling people slurs”.
My friend, Elon is not fighting for free speech. It’s not just him, but because he owns that company, it looks extra bad when he shows his own hypocrisy. Many Washington Democrats and Republicans wish they could censor anyone they disagree with. They only pretend to support the First Amendment when it’s something that backs their agenda.
Also, for someone like him, being hypocritical is a virtue. He’s signaling to potential allies that he’s willing to ignore the rules if they would inconvenience him and his friends.
Yeah I wonder.
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Same republicans froth at their mouth because “DeMoCraTS aRE BuSinG VoTErs!!!” without even a shred of proof
Providing rides to registered voters should be seen as a positive quality in a developed society.
He is fighting for free speech as much as the Republic of North Korea is a republic.
I can’t believe he’s not offering $69 because he’s a chud
Yes but also, some people in swing states are going to make a lot of money signing up registered never trumpers. If I’m any kind of large social group we’re all signing it. Yeah we each only get 47 dollars but together we can make Elon hurt right in the wallet.
You actually believe he has any intention of paying anyone?
No, but then the resulting class action lawsuit will also be hilarious.
Every eligible voter in those states signing would be ~2 billion from some rough estimates.
Would be funny, but I won’t get my hopes up on him paying out anything on that.
All I see is a big sign that says “Free $47, paid for by your sucker in chief”
His record of not paying bills makes that unlikely
I bet my home on that “free speech” means “people cannot call us racist for calling black people the N-word” in this case…
Nah, it’s corruption only when poor people do it. When rich people do it it’s just “smart business”.
If he’s anything like his new king, he won’t pay a cent to any of the chuds that take him up on this offer
Do they have to be real people?
Yes, but they don’t have to be red voters
Am I desperate enough to sell out for $47
Not yet…
