With They Create Worlds having tackled the early influence of D&D on video games, what better time than to air out some thoughts on the first CRPGs?

The information on the internet is extremely confused but I think we can get quite close to answering this difficult question. #videogamehistory #rpg

1975-03 PLATO at Florida State University. University of Michigan, code p01585.

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    Many PLATO authors - upset with its removal - created derivatives on The Dungeon to carry on and evolve its spirit.

    The creators of the games Orthanc and The Game of Dungeons (dnd) both admit this as their impetus, meaning both of them emerged sometime after late 1975.

    The Game of Dungeons (dnd) on PLATO was very similar to The Dungeon.  https://crpgaddict.blogspot.com/2012/02/game-69-game-of-dungeonsdnd-1975.html

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      So is that it? Is The Dungeon the first CRPG?

      Not so fast.

      pedit5 designer Rusty Rutherford has stated that he decided to make a D&D game after one was already being worked on for the system that was not completed.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20110707162725/http://armchairarcade.com/neo/node/1948

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          Moria is perhaps the most important of the PLATO RPGs.

          It was one of the first MMOs, allowing people to group in parties to take down monsters.

          It showed the dungeon in first-person 3D, taking the innovation of PLATO flight games into the turn-based world.

          Its offspring inspired Wizardry.

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            The authors of Moria were particularly inspired by Orthanc, one of The Dungeon derivatives.

            Originally the game was 2D like Orthanc, but eventually took on its important 3D perspective.

            While it’s logical they may have come to this on their own, there may have been another influence.

            Instructions for navigation in Moria on PLATO.

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                Daleske worked on a number of other PLATO games, but the most enigmatic by far is the one he co-authored with Fritz: Dungeon.

                With a version date on the very well done title screen, this game has fascinated people for years - but it’s never been playable on cyber1.

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                  The only thing Daleske ever said about the game was that it was, “Predecessor to Moria.”

                  In 2021, CRPGAddict commentor “half” extracted the completed images from the game’s files. While this doesn’t prove much, it gives very strong evidence that this game begot both Moria and The Dungeon.

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                    The door graphic and signs particularly look like they are meant for a first-person perspective - much like Moria.

                    The main warrior character in the bottom left and the room overview in the bottom right look quite a bit like The Dungeon.

                    Dungeon may have been the wellspring of all PLATO RPGs.

                    Main character(?) graphic from Dungeon on PLATO.
                    Main character graphic for The Dungeon on PLATO.