U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres arrived at the BRICS summit in the Russian city of Kazan on Oct. 22, despite criticism from Ukraine, Voice of America reported.

The BRICS group, a bloc of countries that includes Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia, and the United Arab Emirates, is convening in Kazan for a three-day summit from Oct. 22-24. According to Moscow, 36 world leaders are participating in the conference.

Guterres is expected to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the event on Oct. 24, according to Russian presidential aide Yuri Ushakov.

Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry criticized the U.N. secretary general’s visit.

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  • RubberDuck@lemmy.world
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    13 days ago

    The UN is not to do anything. The UN exists solely as a forum where countries always have a place for dialogue, no matter how high the temperature. It also gives a voice to all countries in conversations. It is an attempt to avoid nuclear war, not a world government. It has no power other than a voice through which countries can speak who agree with one another. If countries want to band together and do something they can, but the UN cannot. It can only give credence to actions taken by Member countries if enough other countries support it…

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      13 days ago

      The UN exists solely as a forum where countries always have a place for dialogue, no matter how high the temperature.

      Not entirely true. The UN is here and can do;

      • The UN is there to keep Peace and Security which it is failing.
      • Pass binding resolutions, which it is failing.
      • The UN has authority to impose international sanctions which it has not really done against Israel
      • Refer cases to the International Criminal Court, has happened (I think?) but nothing happened after that. So IE; means nothing.

      I find it quite ironic that you only pin-point the comment about, the UN. But left out everything else about Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Palestine.

      To continue on your comment, on another Lemmy-user;

      Yeah, we disagree on the whole illegal occupation part when it comes to Israel proper.

      It has been said by the UN that it is indeed illegal occupation

      1. Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, tantamount to ‘settler-colonialism’: UN expert.
      2. International law obliges Israel to end occupation.
      3. Top UN court says Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories is illegal
      4. UN votes against Israel’s occupation of Palestine: Will it change anything?
      • Article 3 even has a video about it.

      And this in turn leads to disagreement about a lot of the other aspects.

      Disagreement or not - UN has said it is an illegal occupation and that Israel should end it. Not only that, stealing land, murdering thousands of people, rape, illegal settlements and most of their political statements (such as; ‘‘nuke Gaza’’ and ‘‘Palestinians are animals’’). All indicate and prove this statement.

      This just shows your bias regarding Israel as a whole.

      Everything in life has to do with priorities and where you put them and when it comes to the founding of Israel we disagree.

      Incredible that you mentioned the founding of Israel! Because;

      • David Ben-Gurion.
      • Yitzhak Shamir.
      • Manchem Begin.

      David Ben Gurion, was a leader of the Jewish terrorist organization, Haganah. Sanctioned the bombing of SS Patria (French-built ocean liner) and murdered more than 270 people. Gurion become Israel’s first Prime Minster.

      Yitzhak Shamir, was a leader of the Jewish terrorist organization, Stern Gang and sanctioned the assassination of a British official and a UN official. He became a Prime Minister of Israel too.

      Manchem Begin, was a leader of the Jewish terrorist organization, Irgun and sanctioned the bombing of hotel King David Hotel and murdered 91 people. He too became a Prime Minister of Israel.

      Wiki:

      1. Patria Disaster, just alt+F and search Davids name.
      2. Davids Wikipage.
      3. The Assassination of Count Bernadotte, which also goes in depth about Yitzak’s role.
      4. Yitzaks wikipage.
      5. Manchem wikipage which also goes in depth about his role on the King David Hotel bombing.

      Do you actually know the history of Israel state?

      EDIT: Another article - Creation of Israel, 1948

      • RubberDuck@lemmy.world
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        12 days ago

        Yeah, this is not the gotcha you might hope it to be. The whole interbellum and post WW2 was a shit show.

        And you are arguing Jewish terrorists are terrorists when they reclaimed their stake from the English but the Palestinians are resistance? Jews where ousted from the region too, but if it’s long enough, then tough shit? What do we then think of all the Jews ousted from Arabic countries to Israel who where absorbed into the country? If the same had happened to the Palestinians the issue would have been mute, but the Arab friends of the Palestinians decided to keep the Palestinians locked into their predicament as this would help them most… Or something.

        And the occupied territories and colonial settler programs are criminal and should stop. Gaza settlers where removed, Westbank settlers should be done the same.

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          12 days ago

          I don’t care about “gotcha”, I care about respectful debates. However, I have lost interest with debating you already (due to that particular statement).

          • RubberDuck@lemmy.world
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            12 days ago

            Ah, responding to the tone… got it.

            Probably more because there is plenty of agreement between our stances and there is also plenty to weig. But as I said elsewhere, priorities matter and there are plenty of things to be said about Palestinians and the people that claim to help them, the list of countries and organisations that could have helped them for real is almost endless but includes the Palestinians themselves, especially in the form of Hamas, plo and the people that voted them into power.

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          Jews where ousted from the region too, but if it’s long enough, then tough shit?

          If it means doing what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians for the past 70+ years, then yes. Why on earth are the Palestinians of today repaying for something that happened centuries ago?

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            12 days ago

            That’s not what I’m saying, I’m just pointing to a double standard that you seem to apply.

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              12 days ago

              That’s not what a double standard is. It would only apply if both situations were happening simultaneously or relatively close together. Kind of like America’s unconditional support for Ukraine to fight against an oppressive state compared to what they’re doing at the same time for Israel. That’s an actual double standard.