• the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world
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    20 hours ago

    I found this article, which specifically states:

    Under international law the right to resist excludes recourse to violence against civilians.

    That sounds to me like Hamas isn’t allowed to kill civilians. Do I understand that correctly?

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      18 hours ago

      That’s a Wikipedia article that’s not about resistance ideology. It’s sole citation for that line is a book written by a Jewish professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. You might as well ask a white man what he thinks of the indian problem in the 1800’s. Well we massacred an entire town but them doing anything about that is just plain wrong.

      Maybe start somewhere like this, where people who have interviewed former IRA fighters talk about how they viewed violence as legitimate but that didn’t stop them from accepting peace once their goal of a free Ireland had been met.

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        17 hours ago

        So just give it to me straight, do you think it’s okay to shoot up a concert where nobody could reasonably be considered a threat to you? Consider that in isolation. It’s a simple question yes or no question. I’ll read your thing about “resistance ideology” if you can answer that.

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          16 hours ago

          Lmao. No. Because considering it in a vacuum is a bad faith exercise. I could similarly ask you about shooting clearly marked reporters just standing there. Or any of a hundred other things.

          If you don’t consider the why then you aren’t really considering it.

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            16 hours ago

            So what specific circumstances would justify raping a bunch of women, killing dozens of children, and shooting up a concert full of people who were not an immediate threat to you? And how do they not also justify 9/11?

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              15 hours ago

              You just can’t stop putting something in there can you? You’re desperately afraid the Palestinians have a good point.

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                15 hours ago

                I should have added them before. Now, would you like to answer the question, or was October 7th not justified?

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                  14 hours ago

                  You should not have added them before, Hamas is not an Islamic apocalypse cult. And you’re so insistent on using 10/7 to make the Palestinians out as subhuman that you missed I already gave you the answer to that 2 days ago.

                  Speaking of which it’s been 2 days and you are clearly committed to making Palestinians look like villains while ignoring reality. You’ve also come up with some of the most ham-handed attempts at gotcha questions I’ve ever seen, so I’m going to call it here.

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                    9 hours ago

                    I mean, you can’t even tell me what would justify October 7th, so I’m not sure even you understand your own ideology. It comes across to me like Christians who reframe the entire world through their interpretation of the Bible, then get angry at others for questioning it. In this case, it comes from a furious inability to accept that Hamas committed unjustifiable atrocities because that would collapse your entire worldview. You’re probably backing off now because you’re afraid of having this precious opinion challenged any more than it already has been.

                    But hey, I can’t force you to reply anymore. I enjoyed this conversation, and I hope you have a good rest of the week.