(Disclaimer: I voted against Trump and anyone who supported him in my state.)

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    The goal is to remake the US into something else. A Christian Patriarchy + Oiligarchy with sham voting every four years. The biggest wild card in their plans is Trump, but as long as he gets to pretend he’s Putin 2.0 – which literally means being able to point his finger to see someone killed – he’ll be happy and easy to play.

    Overall, there’s no limit to how fucked we are. There are no brakes and there’s no steering wheel.

    Think militias deputized as enforcers.

    Think protests put down by the military ordered to shoot to kill.

    Think indoctrination of children and political/militaristic organizations for teens.

    Think history books rewritten, science education dumbed down, evolution and global warming illegal to even mention.

    Think marriage rights taken away.

    Think voting rights taken away and voting laws rammed through to ensure Republicans win.

    Think Republicans getting enough state legislatures both to call a Constitutional Convention and to ratify a slew of amendments to rework citizenship, enshrine Christianity into the constitution, and generally butcher the Bill of Rights.

    Think “real Americans” going after and imprisoning and/or killing hundreds, thousands, millions of other Americans.

    Think purity tests and identification papers, total surveillance, digital tracking of every word and action and movement.

    Think of your street with a dead body in the middle of it and everyone afraid to go near it.

    Think of being terrified for your own life if you accidentally hear someone say something against The Party.

    Think of this very comment used as evidence to lock me up or have me killed.

    There is nothing, nothing at all, standing in their way. Like in most one-party systems, the competition among the players will be to see how extreme they can get in order to prove themselves to their party, while the rest of us who vainly hope they’ll show restraint will pay the price.

    I hope I’m wrong about most of the above. It may not get that bad. But, again, we’ve gone over the cliff and there’s nowhere but a helluva lot of straight down.

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    It all depends on whether they’re competent and can act together for their goals. Many of those goals are truly horrible, but

    • Trumps first term was incompetent, fractured. Despite all the chaos and destruction, they did nowhere near as much damage to peoples lives and democracy as they wanted to
    • My conservative brother is all too typical, dismissing the worst statements as “he’s not serious. He’d never do that”. We have to hope people like my brother are right
    • their goal is narcissism and their methods are stoking outrage: is it possible they’re not actually evil, don’t actually pay attention to what comes out of their own mouths? Are they even capable of working together? Making Trump rich and stoking his ego would be a travesty, but far less damaging than what he says he’ll do
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    Its hard to say cuz hes so unstable, but since his party has been hijacked by his sycophants and own the three branches, id guess some crazy shit. Maybe this will finally make the americans understand that voting has consequences, and that some minimal homework is needed to choose. But honestly no one on this planet has any faith in the average american so i predict ww3, mass incarceration with slavery (woops already has been happening, but for even more ppl), demonization of any minority, and a general loss of wealth that will be vacuumed by the upper class. Man I cant believe you guys let trump hire Elon fking Musk, hope you guys like living like one of his employees.

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    What happened to the Iranian left after 1979’s revolution:

    The Iranian left played a significant role in the 1979 revolution but was ultimately suppressed and marginalized by Ayatollah Khomeini’s Islamist forces in the aftermath. Here’s an overview of what happened to leftist groups after the revolution:

    Initial Collaboration and Support

    Many leftist groups initially supported and collaborated with Khomeini’s movement to overthrow the Shah:

    • Various Marxist-Leninist, socialist, and communist organizations participated in the revolutionary coalition[5].
    • Some leftist groups like the Tudeh Party (pro-Soviet communists) and Fedayeen (urban guerillas) attracted many student members[5].
    • The leftist-Islamist group Mujahedin also gained significant support among students[5].
    • Many leftists viewed Khomeini’s movement as anti-imperialist and hoped to push it in a more progressive direction[1].

    Gradual Suppression

    However, Khomeini and his allies soon moved to sideline and suppress leftist forces:

    • In March 1979, Khomeini declared “do not use this term, ‘democratic.’ That is the Western style,” signaling his opposition to liberal and leftist ideals[2].
    • The National Democratic Front (a leftist group) was banned in August 1979[2].
    • Universities were purged of leftist influence starting in March 1980[2].
    • By early 1981, the government had closed MEK (People’s Mujahedin) offices, banned their newspapers, and issued arrest warrants for their leaders[2].

    Violent Crackdown

    The suppression of the left intensified into violent persecution:

    • Between 1981-1985, nearly 8,000 political opponents were executed, many of them leftists[3].
    • In 1988, a “Death Committee” oversaw the mass execution of leftist prisoners[1].
    • Overall, the Islamic Republic’s crackdown on dissent was far more brutal than the Shah’s regime, which had executed fewer than 100 political prisoners between 1971-1979[3].

    Reasons for Failure

    Several factors contributed to the left’s inability to maintain influence:

    • Lack of unity and organization among moderate and radical leftist factions[2].
    • Underestimation of the conservatism of the Iranian masses[2].
    • The left’s secular ideology conflicted with the religious fervor driving much of the revolution[1].
    • Khomeini’s skillful co-opting of leftist anti-imperialist and social justice rhetoric into an Islamist framework[3][4].

    Legacy

    By the end of 1979, the “secular middle class” and liberals had been largely sidelined, leaving mainly Islamist factions in power[2]. The suppression of the left helped consolidate the Islamic Republic’s hold on power and narrowed the range of acceptable political ideologies in Iran[3]. However, some leftist ideas around social justice and anti-imperialism were incorporated into the Islamic Republic’s ideology, albeit in a religious framework[4].

    Citations: [1] Ideology and Iran’s Revolution: How 1979 Changed the World https://institute.global/insights/geopolitics-and-security/ideology-and-irans-revolution-how-1979-changed-world [2] Aftermath of the Iranian revolution - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftermath_of_the_Iranian_Revolution [3] Four decades later, did the Iranian revolution fulfill its promises? https://www.brookings.edu/articles/four-decades-later-did-the-iranian-revolution-fulfill-its-promises/ [4] What Iran’s 1979 revolution meant for the Muslim Brotherhood https://www.brookings.edu/articles/what-irans-1979-revolution-meant-for-the-muslim-brotherhood/ [5] How Iran’s Theocrats Allied With — and Then Crushed — the Left https://jacobin.com/2022/10/chahla-chafiq-iranian-left-khomeini-protests-feminism [6] Iranian Revolution | Summary, Causes, Effects, & Facts - Britannica https://www.britannica.com/event/Iranian-Revolution

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    II think it’s entirely possible the world is fucked. Climate crisis won’t come during his 2nd administration, but the 4 years we lose in national and international regulation is going to make it impossible to prevent.

    It’ll be slow, but before 2061, I expect the death of the global Internet, and global shipping, and most air travel. Electrical grids will fracture or fail and the pieces used for smaller (at most regional) grid. Cities won’t be able to maintain the sewer pumps, and Cholera will start killing people again. Gas lines will stop maintaining pressure.

    I don’t plan on sticking around that long. My BP has always been bad, so I figure just indulging my vices will make this no my problem, and I don’t have a partner or descendants.

    If you prefer not embracing despair, I suggest looking into how you and your dearest can survive without infrastructure. Local food production, local power and medicine production. Don’t count on supplies you can’t retrieve within a day of travel, and don’t count on the state to maintain roads. “Solarpunk” might be a good search term. Also, might prepare for unpredictable shifts in the local climate, like preferring indoor growing.

    If anyone has data that says we can avoid climate collapse with no new national or international regulation before 2029, I’d love to hear it. Please.

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    My opinion is:

    Somewhere beween 2016 Trump and Erdogan-era Turkey. But if democrats dont win midterms and 2028 election (if there even is a 2028 election), then we go beyond Erodogan’s Turkey into Russia territory.

    Very bad, but the US has Federalism, we might be able to survive if state governments resist. There would be so much damage to US institutions, but if democrats win future elections, we can still save this.

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    Before, his power was checked by legislature…but now GOP has full control over the gov, and the supreme Court has 5 members nominated by Trump, soon to be 7.

    Hand maidens tale seems possible. Destruction of the middle class through tariffs, union busting, tear down of heath coverage, teardown public schools, force colleges to abandon certain studies or no federal money…

    Add in non stop fossil fuel promotion with drill baby drill attitudes, tear down NOAA and the nhc because strong hurricane news reinforces climate change.

    I guarantee in 4 years Trump will try to name a successor instead of holding an election.

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      in 4 years Trump will try to name a successor

      That would require the narcissist to not think he’s still young and vibrant and will never die. He will go the same way his father did, being manipulated by the worst around him as he drifts into dementia. He will be propped up as a puppet as Reagan was.

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        He could postpone the election if America is at war.

        “We have always been at war with Eastasia”

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        Here’s a horrifying thought: JD’s Silicon Valley puppetmasters wait until Trump has served just over 2 years into his term, then invoke the 25th and install JD. In the meantime, the MAGA types work the system to ensure they can guarantee a Vance victory through whatever means necessary for the next 2 cycles (since his first abbreviated session won’t count as an official term), or a total of 10 years, before most Americans even realize we have sleepwalked into a Vance dictatorship funded by and primarily benefiting oligarchs like Musk and Thiel

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        He will go the same way his father did, being manipulated by the worst around him as he drifts into dementia. He will be propped up as a puppet as Reagan was.

        I’m quite sure that this is already the case.

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      tear down NOAA

      Fuuuccckkkk… Add to the list of things I forgot… The AccuWeather guy is about to become even more wealthy…

      The billionaire class are the only winners of this election, but then again when aren’t they the winner? Money is literally power.

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      Trump had a Republican majority in the House and Senate when he entered office in 2017. They were incompetent, and it took them a while to get anything done.

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      I guarantee in 4 years Trump will try to name a successor instead of holding an election.

      No. He will not name a successor, he will remain president. Either he will eliminate elections or he will do like his idol, Putin. Arrest and murder anyone who dares oppose him.

      He is an extreme narcissist and egotist. Like extreme extreme. He cannot see a future where he’s not on the throne.

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      Wanna bet he’ll put up one of his kids (hell perhaps even Barron?) and bend the whole sycophantic side of the GOP into endlesdly propping them up?

      In 4 years, you may simply get Trump III. I want to say this notion seems absurd, except that it absolutely isn’t.

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      Goddamnitalltohell. I forgot we’re going to have to subscribe to private disaster warning systems. That’s pretty much it in a nutshell. Perfectly describes everything they want to do.

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      Add in non stop fossil fuel promotion with drill baby drill attitudes

      Do you remember a few years ago when the orange idiot hugged a piece of coal and called it “beautiful clean coal”? Ugh, what a dip shit.

      I guarantee in 4 years Trump will try to name a successor instead of holding an election.

      And it’ll certainly be one of his moronic children.

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    I have spent all day crying and drafting escape plans since my life is now in extreme danger. I’m a Latina immigrant, trans, and drag-adjacent performer

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      If you’re in a blue state you will be much safer. If you’re not, see if you can relocate to one even if that means you sleep on someone’s couch for a while. I wish you the best.

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        Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine are desperate for people to move there… And the Canadian border is right there just in case

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          Canadian Immigration is pretty full up at the moment, might take a while to process unless the person heads there and claims asylum once in.

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        keep in mind this opinion also promises that it can’t be fixed, as the more blue voters that leave the red leaning states the more power those red leaning states have. Moving to a blue leaning state only removes the blue votes from the red leaning state in favor of increasing the power of an already blue state.

        Of course if he somehow manages to find a way to do away with the election process this would be true, but currently the best bet overall is going to be stay in your state, honestly if you can lower solid blue districts in favor of saturating red districts that’s the best option but that’s a difficult task.

        Our system does not operate under popular vote. It runs off the electoral college, its the main reason red states want to gerrymander the district lines to make all black areas be their own district, its less damage if every opponent is in the same district as it allows only one district to be in opposition instead of multiple.

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          That’s all well and good, but are you really suggesting that trans people who are fearing for their lives should stay put to help the electoral college issues four years from now?

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            that’s a sticky question, there’s no perfect answer sadly.

            the solution of moving to a blue state is a good short term fix. However it won’t survive a long-term exposure. Eventually the federal level laws will outlaw the state level laws regarding it and their protections in the blue state won’t help them anymore. When that happens the only outcome is all red laws. We are already seeing that with him claiming that he’s going to outlaw abortion period on the federal level, which will overrule state level, an act that currently I believe would make it through the proper channels to actually get implemented as the red party currently holds half (if not all) the legislative, the entire executive, and despite it not being supposed to be possible, the judicial branches.

            In a perfect world, due to everyone dispersing into the red districts, it would saturate the polls in those districts, requiring district remaps via gerrymandering to win. Unless there truly is more red voters then blue, in which case there is no solution to this problem while remaining in the US, the only valid option is either a second civil war, or moving to another country and hoping that it doesn’t spread. Neither options are ideal.

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              that’s a sticky question,

              No, the banshee-wailing fuck it isn’t!

              If someone truly believes they are in fucking danger, they need to remove themselves from the danger first and foremost, before any consideration of “but what about next election?”

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              Are you for real trying to ivory tower armchair general a person who now fears for their life due to the overt threats of the candidate who just won the fucking presidency? Hold on- let me get you a ladder so you can try to climb down out of your own asshole.

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                no, I’m not sure where everyone is getting that ideology. Obviously if there is physical threat move. I’m just saying that moving to a blue state isn’t a permanent solution and it’s just going to fuck them twice over later when the barely red states become fully red states and electoral college allows for a constant 270 for a side that is very very against the concept of it.

                Blue states aren’t even that much better either. I know from first hand experience that Maine, a state that hasent gone red since 1988, still very much has population that is hostile to the same lifestyles, It’s not as bad obviously but, it’s not like the problem disappears by moving. I just personally think deciding to leave the state is cementing the issue to being a permanent one.

                Personally, if moving is a must, instead of going to a blue state you are likely better off leaving the country. At least then your impact will be mitigated when the full red federal laws go into effect.

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      I hate that i’m saying this, but Canada or somewhere in the EU are probably your best bets. If Project 2025 goes according to plan we’re going to see a great upheaval come Q1 2025 that probably clusterfucks everything.

      Long term with christian school mandates via defunding education and funding vouchers will further create a hostile nation for anyone who does not conform to a heterosexual white nationalist christian identity.

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      If push comes to shove, I sincerely invite you to look at Mexico as an alternative as a trans Latina. Sure, your life won’t be a luxury, but you’ll be happy and free. You’d be surprised at how well we’re doing now, how accepting the Mexican population is regarding important LGBT+ issues and what a bright future we have ahead of us.

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        Maybe not a great idea for some individuals to advertise their escape plans in open channels online?

        Honestly, the internet doesn’t feel “safe” anymore, in general. I’ve already stopped myself saying certain things a few times in the last 24 hours.

        “Great Firewall of China” style internet incoming.

        Put on your pirate hat and get while the gettings good. Sneakernets makin a comeback.

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          Sure, advertising your secret plans in public might not be the best idea, regardles of the medium.

          From the technical standpoint, internet has never been more secure and private. The amount of plaintext shit that was literally flying over the air just a decade ago was terrifying.

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          If it’s a good escape plan you might help someone. I mean as long as it doesn’t require concealment to succeed. And I guess a lot of plans like “find a job abroad” don’t really need to be kept secret.

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    Pretty fucked, but not as fucked as Ukraine, Palestine, Lebanon, or Taiwan.

    NATO will be fucked for a while if the US withdraws, but other NATO countries may ramp up military spending over time.

    This situation is a worldwide danger. The US is/was a world power, it has/had the largest national economy in the world, it has the largest military in the world.

    Previously, we could be concerned that democratic countries (including the US) weren’t putting enough pressure on authoritarian countries (like Russia, China, and North Korea) to improve. Now we have to worry that the US will actually become a fully authoritarian country, like Russia or China.

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      On the bright side… the rest of the world is realizing that being reliant on one country for military power and maintaining stability was a terrible idea. The UN and NATO only have power if the countries are willing to enforce those decisions, and if the US doesn’t, there isn’t really a comparable backup option. The US military was always the elephant in the room keeping things generally less extreme just by its existence and not reacting impulsively.

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        Just to add, it was always the US strategy to have the western world dependent on it for defence, it gave them a lot of soft and hard power and allowed for unopposed imperialism in “less important” (with a lot of irony) parts of the world.

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      If NATO fades into oblivion, that would be a great opportunity for European countries to make a news defense organization where a single country like Hungary or Turkey can’t play their political games.

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        Technically the EU already is an defence organisation (Lisbon accords), even with a stronger mutual assistance clause than NATO. What is different is that there is no integrated command structure. But that is currently rapidly changing, Germany and the Netherlands already are fully integrated (more than NATO standards are), the Baltics are making great progress.

        There is at least a chance

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        I expect that the EU is going to have to claim defence competencies to continue the Union’s defense. There are way too many small countries in NATO that can’t contribute meaningfully to a military beyond some basic battalions and the EU needs something more robust than France and Poland.

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    Extremely, tarrifs will erase the middle class. All regulations will be repealed allowing even more corporate power and influence. We’re about to experience the Gilded Age on crack mixed with the burning hells of our mother Earth scorned.

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      They’re done with the middle class here. They don’t want to raise the poverty level worldwide, they want to bring us down to match the rest of the world. It’s strip-mining time, we’re too expensive for the international rich’s tastes.

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      Time to stock up on the automatic rifles they want us all to have so much, and learn carpentry to build some guillotines.

      Maybe the French will help us again, they’ve got some experience with this.

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        Why do you need to learn carpentry? Isn’t it a slot with a big metal blade? Add a rope so you can pull it up, and let it go to make it work…

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          You don’t want it to fall apart after one use, see? Need to make sure it can stand up to the job. We don’t want to build to Harbor Freight standards here. Take pride in our work.

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          Look, I’m no guillotine-ologist, but I think if I was going to construct one I would forgo my usual method of measure once and cut 5 to 10 times until I have to go get another board because I’ve destroyed the last one.

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        We dont need guillotines. We need to heal our culture and unify Americans by ending the two party system that thrives off our division. We are so big we should be lead by a coalition of factions. Not whatever the fuck this is.

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          Ah yes, the same rhetoric that got us into this mess. Do nothing that actually makes a difference, but try to “fix” it from within. Meanwhile everything is being stolen with intentional legal loopholes.

          How do you propose removing the two party system, which the two parties comprising the entirety of the government have every incentive to keep because it’s the only reason they have the power they do? The only way, as designed an within the existing system is to get enough representation in to force that change, which means replacing 2/3 of Congress essentially at the same time to force super majorities on both sides.

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            Do I need to remind everyone that the French Revolution eventually fed their own into the guillotines? No? We’re just keen on repeating every bit of history until we’re baked off this rock? Okay. Let’s do that instead of trying to ratify citizen petitions, getting collective action, and actually building a unified ideal over time. Nah, thats much too hard. Buy some wood, meet up with the three other willing people, and go stand outside some politicians house with a guillotine while he calls his donners all scared and they write up more protest laws.

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              Let’s do that instead of trying to ratify citizen petitions, getting collective action, and actually building a unified ideal over time.

              Those work on a local level, not federal. Citizens have no control of anything Federal. The Federal government doesn’t have to listen to the citizens at all. The only consequence for them is during re-election. There they’ll just gerrymander the districts to force a win either way overall.

              The federal government relies on each branch overseeing each other. And the Republicans have a stacked blatantly partisan Supreme Court that gave the office of the President total immunity. And a Republican majority in both sides of Congress completely willing to let Trump do what he wants as far of the plan.

              Fixing this at a federal level will require getting to the exact opposite point we’re at now since we’ve allowed it to get to this point.

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      Tariffs will not only erase the middle class but also erase our topsoil like it’s 1924 all over again if farmers aren’t subsidized and everything is left to go fallow. In terms of dollars we’re pretty even in terms of agricultural imports and exports, but in terms of acreage… We push a shitload of soy, corn, and wheat. We’re more than a little fucked in lots of ways if we’re hit with retaliatory tariffs, but the biggest one is if farmers don’t have any reason to plant crops and don’t have any money to do it, we’re doomed for dustbowl days.

      Don’t even get me started on water, fluoride is one thing but if they start removing a lot of other stuff like phosphate and permanganate the entire country’s municipal water supply will be as bad as Flint MI.

      I’m hoping Trump doesn’t pull off 95% of the stuff he talked about due to unbridled incompetence because if he still manages to pull off 80% of it we’re gonna be fucked

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        No they’ll keep things like the farm subsidies, may even expand them. The tariffs will leave those out. That’s the socialism their base is 100% reliant on. They won’t risk turning on the rural farmers until the end when it they’re not a threat. They’ve already shown a complete willingness to ignore absolutely everything else until this point.

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          I’m hoping. Last trade war, Trump basically rolled out of bed one morning and decided to try it on China as some temporary transient thing in order to convey that the US has a lot of leverage (and it blew up in our faces), which is an entirely different beast than unilateral tariffs as part of fiscal policy. I have no clue how much it’d cost to just subsidize everything in perpetuity but I hope it isn’t some ridiculous sum.

          He’ll probably do something like allowing us to sell semiconductors to foreign nations in exchange for dropping tariffs on agricultural exports which is also really fucking boneheaded. The art of the deal, giving away the only shit that has lots of value for us. China outpacing the US in tech is something Europe wouldn’t want, but if we cut ties with Europe they’d probably warm up to China and we’d become a really big insular nation that can’t even sustain its economy as is

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        If he manages to pull off even 25% we will be fucked until the last soul melts on the 200 degree pavement. Its never the time for regressionism, but now is especially a bad time.

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          We’re already net exporter of petroleum but they’re intending to carve up our parks and stuff, even though we won’t be able to sell it for more than the cost of producing it. Everyone will slam us with tariffs and go to other countries for their fix, and it’ll be cheaper than bottled water for us.

          The idiots who don’t understand what a pronoun is and are terrified of their kids learning about them in English class will have cheap gas, but their kids will endure a literal hell for it.

          And they’ll think Trump’s doing a good job for all of it, blame some totally unrelated shit for our interest rate being at 25%

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            I’m over it. Be fucking stupid. Sell shit out for cheap. Stain the future with the blood of our children. We are out of time on the climate. The Earth will swallow us as our madness consumes us. Its a triple pronged rape of humanity’s future.

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        Ending farming and allowing nature to return would prevent a dust bowl. Allowing a field to go fallow means that a whole lot of plants start growing.

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          It might do that in some fields but it’d take ages in those spots where all you see is corn as far as the eye can see. Might be switchgrass growing in a drainage ditch but it’d just creep in like capillary action on a paper towel. You’d need to have people out there casting seed at least

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            That’s because it is soil that has been destroyed through decades of mismanagement. That is what caused the previous dust bowl.

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        We end up paying them. Not countries, or corporations. The cost gets passed to consumers.

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          Okay, but why is that specific to the middle class?

          Also, wouldn’t it make sense to tarrif all the businesses who are using other countries for cheap labor?

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            What good do tarrifs do towards companies if they pass that on to consumers? When will that price ever touch their wallets? Its not specific to the middle class, the poor will also be eradicated. I just thought I’d mention we’re heading towards a shit ass society where you are either poor or rich. Theres no in between, theres no comfort, theres just a boot stomping on the face of humanity forever.

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              Well it should hit them in the wallet when people choose not to buy that thing because there’s something better at the same price here.

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                  Don’t buy the stuff. Buy the American stuff so it goes back in American wallets. That’s the idea right?

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    Let me put it this way: we will see the true beginning of WW3 in the Baltics. Trump will predictably not act upon that and the response will be 100% up to Europe itself.

    That response better be an armed one, and quick too, or we all better start practicing cyrillic here in W-europe.

    Regardless if we are lucky, “only” tens of thousands will die. More likely it will be millions.

    So yeah, Trump kinda bedazzled us there, no way around it. Won’t be until the people who voted him in will start hurting personally that they’ll finally realize they’ve been conned. But too little too late.

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      Won’t be until the people who voted him in will start hurting personally that they’ll finally realize they’ve been conned. But too little too late.

      Cute that you think they won’t just blame Mexicans when they do start hurting.

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        Germany’s fatal mistake in WW2 was not being America instead.

        Who, exactly, is to take its place along with the British Empire and USSR in holding back fascism?

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    Some people are going to die-- mostly women. More people are going to have their lives turned upside-down, especially immigrants and ethnic and sexual minorities. Many immigrants, even legal ones, are going to be expelled. Corporations are going to run wild as regulation is abandoned. People are going to be bankrupted by predatory healthcare firms at a much higher rate than now. Every form of corporate pollution, adulteration, cheating and chicanery will be tolerated. The judiciary will be further corrupted. The US will not only withdraw from NATO, but will try to shut it down. Ukraine will be handed to Putin on a platter. Taiwan, the Baltics, Moldova and Poland will be left to fend for themselves. The ethnic cleansing in Gaza will transition even further to a full-scale genocide. Every aspect of government will be handed to corrupt, incompetent fanatics: kakistocracy all the way down. The impartiality of the civil service will be destroyed and the 19th-century spoils system reinstated. Social Security will be privatized and gutted. Obamacare will be eliminated. Congress will hold show trials of Trump’s perceived enemies. Terrorist acts and sabotage of critical infrastructure will massively increase, and the clampdowns that follow will be used to further degrade what few rights we still have.

    But at least you won’t have Kamala’s pantsuit to complain about.

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    One of the biggest things is that the “deep state”, an innocuous thing turned into a convenient boogeyman by trump, will be quietly destroyed. This is the thing that actually keep your mail arriving, your food edible and your children’s toys not coated in lead. The “deep state”, meaning actual subject matter experts doing their jobs throughout entire government for years, regardless of current administration, are all going to be replaced by kid rock and vaping young republicans fresh from dropping out of their second semester in at The University of Southern Alabama State.

    That’s who’s going to be the dude inspecting your meat for e.coli and signing off on the clinical trials for your perception meds - Gunner, Hunter and Ryder.

    Really don’t think anyone is considering the reality of how deeply fucked we’re going to be as we’re all fixed fully on the front door for obvious signs of trouble (immediate societal decay), while these broken cartoon villains fill the crawlspace with fertilizer and gasoline and kick in the backdoor with flamethrowers in hand.

    We’re fucked, and we’re going to be focused on monitoring the wrong indicators of how fucked, until it is just beyond any repair within any of our lifetimes. For example, you’re going to have FIVE fundamentally broken people on the Supreme Court for the rest of your life. It’s over.