reminder:
this election was lost on multiple fronts.
do not let articles like this, however truthful, and the inevitable spiteful comments underneath convince you that the next four years were caused by Arab-Americans.
fine, fine, yes, it is multifactorial. Unity in opposing trump’s ghouls is the most important, not infighting over losing.
thanks, and not trying to be combative here :) i just know how discourse molds and progresses and it’s just a few short steps from the comments and name calling i’m seeing here to “pro-Palestine caused trump”
when in reality biden/harris actively ignored the petitioning of multiple vital demographics including latino, young, and low-income voters—all of which played out very poorly. it speaks volumes that i haven’t seen a single post about these demographics yet and multiple about Arab-Americans.
just be careful yall! your neighbors need you
I lived in Detroit for a brief period and my observation was that the Arab population in Dearborn was comprised mainly of people born into multi-generational wealth. I know that’s anecdotal but if my observations were accurate then we’re talking about wealthy people who are disconnected from real life struggles who are voting for Trump. Not about immigrants who have seen and experienced hardships.
20-20 hindsight is better than nothing I guess, unless you get it when you’re looking up at the rapidly receding cliff.
Americans have taken WAY too long to figure out Trump is a con man playing them. Very special insight.
Nope. Uh uh. No sympathy from me. My give a damn is broken.
You had SO many red flags
“All she had to do was stop the war in Lebanon and Gaza and she would receive everyone’s votes here,” Dearborn’s Democratic mayor, Abdullah Hammoud, told the Associated Press.
Spot the mayor who has no idea what the job of Vice President actually is…
Depending on what they mean by “stop the war” in gaza, if they mean the current hostilities (which, yeah it’s what she probably meant) or end the conflict in its entirety, that could be the biggest God damn ask I’ve ever heard.
Particularly since the US is not one of the parties at war.
All it would take is threatening an arms embargo. Presidents have stopped Israel via a single phone call before, and they need our billions of dollars worth of bombs to continue. Don’t act like we’re powerless small beans here.
Worst case, they keep going but not on our dime and not with our support.
You know the Sara Mclaughlin commercials with all the sad, sick, and starving puppies? Do you think there’s a similar market for engorged, morbidly obese leopards?
MLK was right about liberals. You lot are the biggest threat to justice.
Hmmm, let’s inspect this sample.
Bland name calling, unimaginative reasoning, blind anger and content absolutely and WILDLY straying from the subject of the article.
You sure, may be a tankie
I’d rather be compared to a tankie, than a liberal. Of the two, the former is further away from a nazi.
Good luck getting justice with Matt Gaetz as attourney general and an imperial presidency intent on reversing everything the civil rights movement ever achieved.
Of course in the liberal worldview the only political action is voting and so now that voting is over you go after people who didn’t vote or voted wrong and wait four more years until you can (hopefully) vote again.
Instead of retreating with your tail between your legs and waiting for another chance to vote join up with those that are taking direct action through protest and political pressure and fucking riots and strikes.
If more of you joined the anti-genocide voices instead of chanting “vote blue no matter who” your party wouldn’t be the milquetoast status-quo-upholding pro-genocide garbage party it is today.
You can punch left or you can stand with the left and build up the power to punch back.
No, but voting for the option that gives you the most leverage is the least you can do. If you can’t even do that, what makes you think you can protect yourself from hostile institutions?
Yes, we know both sides are evil. That’s the point MLK was making.
So not American, but I have a feeling MLK worried about a whole lot more about civil rights, racism and poverty rather than the so-called “liberal threat.”
Nice try.
I was quoting him. He literally said moderates were the “greatest threat to justice”, and that they posed a challenge comparable to white supremacists.
Nice try.
Fine, enjoy watching “nothing change”
I’ve been watching that for my whole life. Democrats had the chance to enshrine our civil rights into law. Instead they stood by and did nothing. Now women can’t get abortions.
That’s all you lot do. Nothing. You’ve never stood up for anything other than protecting the status quo. That’s why your candidate campaigned with republicans. That’s why she endorsed the genocide in Gaza and promised continued support for apartheid.
Enjoy, if you don’t care what happens to you, I sure don’t either. This is how totalitarians take over countries e.g. Germany, Iran, they separate the left from the liberals. Looks like it’s working.
I’m a leftist. I’m armed. Nothing is gonna happen to me. Nothing is gonna happen to our trans and queer brothers and sisters, because we’ll be out there in the streets in black bloc, while you sit at home complaining about how we’re causing a ruckus.
You need to worry about your own neck.
And there it is, you’re probably an accelerationist and dream that after the system collapses you will emerge victorious. Don’t forget to create a multi-party system in your new country.
I’m guessing leopardsatemyface is gonna be the new hermancainaward hotbed of schadenfreude over the next 4 years
Steve Bannon Award?
I guess you could also call it “they did nazi that coming”.
“They didzi that coming. We all did.”
Lots of great voter outreach in the comments here! Keep telling them they deserve to see the genocide of their people! If you alienate them enough, they’ll definitely vote for you next time!
Edit: I wanted to thank everyone for all the great ideas for Muslim outreach in future elections! I can tell by the downvotes that not all of you liked what I had to say, but if I learned one thing from the Harris campaign, it’s that you can’t care what a community thinks of you, no matter how many votes it costs you!
Yes that’s right! Be nice to the idiots who vote against their own interests because hurting their feefees is why this happened in the first place!
Woah, infantilizing the population of a majority Muslim town for having their, “feefees,” hurt, even though they’re the ones most likely to personally know someone who is a victim of the violence in Gaza? That’s the boldest outreach strategy yet!
Was I not clear enough the first time? I
If the logical conclusion that voting for, or not voting against, the obvious worse option for their situation didn’t stop them, then I don’t think calling them out on it is going to make much of a difference.
I’m not sure anyone here works for the DNC. We’re not trying to get ourselves elected. People are absolutely allowed to criticize others for the intended consequences of their actions when they get exactly what’s expected. In this case, they’ve alienated themselves.
“It’s my way of sticking it to The Man.”
“Sir, you are The Man.”
“That’s right.”
“So… aren’t you sticking it to yourself?”
“… Maybe.”
Yes, that’s good! Let’s pretend it’s not our problem that they didn’t vote for the Democrats, even though we clearly cared about the outcome of the election! And if we blame them for the alienation they feel, we never have to examine what the party could have done differently! It’s brilliant!
Feels aren’t reals.
Fuck those people - I hope they
die“sleep soundly forever” first. 👍But of course they’ll probably shit out a dozen children the rest of us have to support instead.
Yay humanity.
Hmm, I like the energy here, but it might be a little aggressive, even for the Democrats. Remember, the tone you want to hit with Muslim voter outreach is, “Condescending paternalism as you explain what’s best for them,” not, “death wishes mixed with xenophobic dog whistles about their welfare babies.”
Is anyone still campaigning now that the election is over?
Hey, it’s never too early to start alienating voters for 2028!
Put on your oxygen mask before trying to help others, that is the moral here.
Yeah, boil it down to trite moral lesson! That’s perfect!
Wait, isn’t that your move here in every one of the dozen+ comments you’ve left us?
What do you mean? I’m brainstorming for the next election!
If your rights and safety at home are curtailed as a result of your vote in a vain attempt to punish Biden’s apparent strategic powerlessness, what good was it, if on top of that you now get a ghoul over whom you have
zeronegative leverage?Focusing only on the outcomes of the actions, while not examining the circumstances that led to the actions? Yes! That will make sure this never happens again!
Well, in these circumstances, your single-issue mindset helped reward bibi’s war crimes with trump’s carte blanche. Good job.
They don’t realize they shit all over themselves and then blame Dems
That’s a good point! Don’t ask if people voted for Harris. Assume they didn’t! It’s important to attack anyone who might even just empathize with these voters, otherwise that empathy might lead then to question the DNC’s decisions!
The reality is both parties hate everybody but the corporate managerial class and want to kill everyone for infinite growth. The idea that voting is somehow an endorsement is idiocy.
You pick the party least enthusiastic about killing you or you’re a moron. Bernie sanders is an anomoly. The democrats never once treated trump as an existential thing - they see the next election as an opportunity to finally capture the right as voters which is their only plan.
If the realization that democrats want us all dead upsets you, you don’t understand how this oligarchy works. They still fear being out of power because it means disfavor of the oligarchs, but they would never attempt winning an election by disregarding the oligarchs.
So the choice isn’t which one you endorse (as only a crazy person would endorse this system) its which one is gonna fuck you up the least.
Ooh, I like this one! Using cynicism to mask a, “lesser of two evils,” argument, while still ignoring how emotionally devastating it would be to vote for someone who is materially supporting the slaughter of your people? This one could be the 2028 platform!
This is the literal lesser of two evils argument served on the rocks.
Eh. Fuck off. I really don’t care anymore.
You chose this. You knew exactly what was at stake, you knew who Trump was beyond any shadow of a doubt, you knew he was going to fully enable Isreal to wipe your family off the face of the earth. You knew.
I fought all the bad faith arguments flying around here and beyond. All the “never genocide” bullshit. Every day, for the better part of a year.
But you played stupid fucking games. And now we all have to find out.
It sucks because people will suffer. Likely people I care about too. But this bleeding heart “liberal” has been bled dry. I can’t muster any more fucks.
“it’s not my lesson to learn” has been my consoling mantra.
Liberals love to talk about how much their hearts bleed. But it was also liberals talking about how disruptive and criminal people protesting in black bloc were being last time Trump was in power. It was also liberals who were saying students protesting peacefully on campuses needed to be beaten and thrown in prison.
You lot don’t give a shit about anyone but yourselves. You use minorities as tokens and ways to sell merch. The downside to that is that when the republicans are doing pogroms these next four years, they’re gonna be going after the people who aren’t armed. And while leftists will always have the backs of our queer and trans brothers and sisters, democrats can figure out defense and mutual support on your own. Because we remember who was really there for us last time, and it wasn’t you. It will never be you.
Yep. No more sympathy
It’s curious that these people never targeted the Republican position on Gazza, even though it was clear from the polls that Trump had a good chance of winning.
Isn’t it though?
I’m with you bud. I honestly tried. Lesser of two evils, help everyone, people deserve safety nets. Well the people I was fighting to help overwhelmingly voted against all of those. I honestly feel for anyone who voted for the same things I did and lost, but anyone who didn’t vote or voted to remove those protections I’m done feeling bad for.
Sorry grandma, you voted in the man who openly wanted to get rid of Medicare. Don’t care anymore. You needed Obamacare but voted for the people who openly said they’d repeal it? Too bad, get some bootstraps.
Again, those who voted to protect those things I feel for and I still want to help, but I’m done trying to help those who openly push against me.
Grandma’s coming to live with you.
Are you imaging a world where Kamala wasn’t full throatedly supporting the genocide as well? Kamala “Most lethal military”, “Israel has a right to defend itself”, “No arms embargo”, “I’m basically Joe Biden but I want Republicans in my cabinet” Harris?
And you suppose Trump will touch his heart and at the very least consider slamming on the breaks? Get real.
No, but I understand the people not wanting to cosign the genocide and not voting or voting 3rd party. I can even forgive the low information voter that was hopeful toward Trump’s vague allusion toward stopping the wars (even though obviously this is incorrect).
For lefties, y’all really underestimate what trump can do, if you think that single issue outweights your safety at home.
Yeah, you can fuck right off too. The news is already full of evidence that Trump is explicitly enabling Isreal to do wayyyy worse. Just like we all told you.
I’m done arguing in good faith with you asshats. Mods can remove my posts, ban me, whatever. Giving you clowns free reign to canvas lemmy with bad faith arguments just because they are borderline civilly worded is what helped disenfranchise the small slice of the internet lemmy represents.
Fuck you and fuck off. I’m done.
I vote we bring back “die in a fire” for the type of person you are responding to. Them fucking off hasn’t worked and doesn’t elicit a response that equals the damage their rhetoric has caused.
I’m just glad you guys are finally admitting you don’t give a shit about minorities. Maybe you’ll finally grow a backbone and get out there and protest. Or do LITERALLY FUCKING ANYTHING besides hand-wringing.
Let’s be honest though, you’re probably gonna just end up being the racist shitwaffles you usually are.
Did you just assume our minority status?
Project harder angry white savior!
Project harder? Assume minority status? Are you just repeating things you’ve heard in the hopes they sound cool? You sound like a parody of yourself.
Sorry Kamala ran a dogshit campaign and failed. If you can’t extract any concessions from our representatives in a democracy, what the fuck is the point? Not doing genocide should be bare fucking minimum.
The least scratched liberal over here.
Stfu libby
Calling people liberals, how will they ever recover. 🙄😂
Well, liberalism is the moderate wing of fascism. Ya’ll are so fucking smarmy while being propagandized stooges for the status quo. At least the rank and file conservatives are so bat shit insane they’re at least funny usually. They also have the capacity to reckon with the fact that real material problems exist, even though their solutions are so misdirected.
The thing is you don’t know anybody’s political alignment. For all the talking you do, all you base this accusation on is a single comment and slap the label on anyone who disagrees like a monkey throwing feces. That’s my point, not whatever else bullshit you’re on about.
I can’t ever know what’s in people’s hearts and minds, but I see their output clear as day.
And to be fair, the above comment was referencing the quote “Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds”. I was calling them a fascist for telling the anti genocide folks to fuck off because his blue team lost.
“They voted for Trump to punish the Democrats.”
Oh, that didn’t work. Losing elections isn’t the same as being punished. Not saying it was a bad move, I’m saying it was the wrong one. It was also a bad move though.
“All Harris had to do was stop the war.”
Oh is that it? Just as a VP / figurehead, swoop on over and say, “Stop it.” Man, why hasn’t anyone ever tried that before?
Dearborn, I hope your lives work out ok. You’ve really fucked up.
Trump was actually in power for 4 years and didn’t do shit to help the Middle East. You’re going to hold him accountable for that, right? There’s no double standard where Democrats have to be absolutely perfect, while Republicans can be smearing shit all over the walls and get a total pass, right?
“We would have voted for Harris if she would just have brought peace to the Middle East!”
…
And cured cancer. That’s all that we need.
…and solved world hunger.
We don’t need anything except peace in the middle east, a cure for cancer, and solutions to world hunger. And that’s it!
You just made me hear Steve Martin.
Ha! Good. I’m glad I pulled it off. I wasn’t sure if it would be obvious or not.
Lol it was perfect. All i needed.
…and this lamp…
Amazing mashup of The Jerk and the Christmas skit.
Not just as a VP, but it’s not even our fucking war. She’s going to go stop the war being waged by a sovereign nation? MK then!
That tactic was tried in 2016 and failed. The political party isn’t the one getting punished when you vote that way nor does it encourage them to change their ways.
Changing the direction of a political party is a long, drawn out affair that requires sustained political action over the course of years.
I have a feeling a lot of people who voted for Trump are going to be hurt by his policies and they’re going to be completely shocked as though this wasn’t known already. How could they possibly have known the person who bragged about hurting them when elected would actually hurt them when elected? /s
They won’t be shocked. They’ll blame it on liberals and democrats and anyone else who had nothing to do with it… because nothing is ever their fault, it’s always a conspiracy by someone else.
It doesn’t work because both political parties are servants to the same masters. Nothing will ever significantly change as long as that’s true. At least not without protracted hardship.
Someone said something in the YouTube comments of a political video I was watching yesterday that really resonated with me:
“I wish the Democrats could find someone who talks about billionaires the same way Donald Trump talks about immigrants.”
Unlimited money in politics is the poison in our society. When money = speech, billionaires will always have the loudest voice in the room.
I mean, Bernie Sanders is right there…
Yes, but he’s far too old at this point to run. We don’t have anybody on the left who is a rockstar dem-socialist except for maybe AOC, and Democrats are probably not going to run another woman in the race for POTUS for another 50 years after these last two embarrassing defeats, so I wouldn’t get my hopes up for that.
Meanwhile, the right is grooming an entire cadre of Trump’s successors so they can keep the MAGA gravy train rolling long after the evil bastard croaks.
I hope it doesnt work out for them. I kind of hope a bunch of them die in a fire because that’s about what it’s going to take for people to start understanding how serious all of this is.
Not really, so many died from COVID and look at us. They’d say the fire was Chinese.
Supposedly some people who were directly impacted did change their minds. Not many proportionally were in that situation though.
Canada just had the first case of human transmission in bird flu. Guess we’ll get to grab some more data to show them.
There’s been multiple cases of human transmission in LA…
My dream schadenfreude scenario is that a hurricane wipes out the Villages in Florida, and it’s bad because Trump privatized NOAA, so no one knew to evacuate, then when they’re picking up the pieces they get hit with a wet bulb event.
By “wet bulb event” do you mean when the wet bulb temperature exceeds around 94 F and you will literally eventually die without air conditioning? Because, yeah, that’s incredibly scary.
We had a couple of those days in Texas this summer.
Yep
I don’t see much of a difference between them wanting punishment instead of harm mitigation and myself wanting punishment instead of harm mitigation. I will keep hoping for less overall harm.
“You’ll be just as bad as them!” is a bad sentiment.
“Yeah, but who those killers are killing makes a big fucking difference.”
I think they wanted to punish someone who didn’t need punishment.
Furthermore, they didn’t have that available a choice. The choice was less harm or more harm.
Because of that, their choice seemed to them like a choice to punish, but it was actually a vote for more harm.
I don’t think they need to be punished for that. I don’t think they deserve to be hurt. In fact it’s one of the things I vote for. Less harm. Every time.
I just think it’s sad, I don’t need payback.
If you continue to allow people to do bad things with no pushback, bad things will continue to happen.
Yes, of course - and pushback is deserved. They’ve fucked up and seemingly deliberately, out of a head-in-the-ass attitude. But there’s nothing to gain from hurting them.
Actually, judging from their actions, I’d expect that hurting them would make them get shittier and I already know they have no idea how to direct their anger properly.
The ideal situation for me is that they find some shame and sit with it and come back after they get their heads out of their ass.
This world is burning so fast that humanity can only slow it down if we put all of our resources towards it.
The largest nations on earth are all heavily armed dictatorships.
Many of them dying might actually be the minimal harm. While we cannot enact judgement on them in good conscience, we can hope they burn and watch it happen.
Dearborn, I hope your lives work out ok. You’ve really fucked up.
Dearborn, MI did not decide this election.
They didn’t. But I didn’t say they did. I said this was a fuck-up.
I don’t care, they still voted for him.
A world renowned, pathological liar “played you”? The guy famous for a decades long history of incredible contradictions, tall tales and epic falsehoods. That guy. The Mythomaniac to end all mythomanics. The compulsive liar that lies more easily than he breaths? He played you? Really? I’m shocked!
I am still shocked about one thing: How could they fall for it???
Most didn’t, they fell for the third party choice.
Still counts
Headline is misleading. It was a quote from a single individual.
Only now, at the end, do you understand?
I don’t feel sorry for these people. We’ve been through the Trump administration once already. They completely knew what they were voting for.
They still don’t understand, they just don’t like that it’s going to affect them.
To be fair, Rashida Tlaib basically told them not to vote for Harris. Probably should reconsider voting for her next election.
