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In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.
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As I recall, it was important to punish the Biden administration for their role in assisting Israel.
As it turns out, there are severe consequences to ignoring absolutely every warning that Trump would be worse.
With regards to Israel / Palestine, watching this unfold under Biden reminded me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan where the one soldier was going “shhh” while pushing a knife into the other soldier. And someone else watching but not doing anything about it.
Remember that Biden flat out lied to the American public. He will be remembered for his complicity in genocide, and there is absolutely nothing he can do to prevent this legacy. History is written by the victors, but younger generations get the last word.
Trump is certainly worse for Americans, and I voted with this in mind, but both sides are fucking awful for Palestinians. Lest we forget Chuck “my job is to keep the left pro-genocide” Schumer.
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It just wasn’t an important issue when they looked at the polling data. The average American cares more about a lot of other stuff over ethnic cleansing in Palestine.
The incumbent administration looked weak in so many ways, that taking a stance against Israel would not have made a difference. Politically, it was just a wedge issue on the left. They needed to win the voters that moved from Biden to Trump, and the DNC was (and probably still is) entirely incapable of taking any big swings.
They lost because they actually expected to. Neither party actually gives a shit about democracy; power is just a mantle they pass back and forth. They are in a “you win this time” holding pattern waiting for the Republicans to fuck things up so badly that they can come back and win in '26 and '28.
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I think the ghoulish cartoon you paint of Democrats foaming at the mouth at the ongoing genocide in Gaza is inaccurate. Let me be clear, there is genocide happening as part of ethnic cleansing for the entire promised land of Israel. I expect Israel to attempt to expand into Syria next, all the way up the coast to Turkey.
And yeah, USA will sell arms to whomever has the money to buy them, no matter who controls what branch of government.
Ok I am making assumptions about internal polling done by the DNC or the Harris campaign, but Pew and Gallup published poll data before the election.
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It’s the cynicism that is bred by and fuels the political furnace. Cynicism can be understood and respected by your opposition.
Those decades have been spent working to keep progressive and leftist voices out of their party, especially ones that threaten their scaffolding of seniority and stability. They have actively prevented the DNC from what the right pulled off with the Tea Party Movement by tightening the reigns on primaries, disenfranchising and ignoring grassroots movements showing good faith, selling out to corporate lobbies, keeping fresh ideas out of policy by manipulating committee appointments, and so much more.
And are they sorry at all when their machinations play into the hands of fascists? No, they actually seem fucking proud of it.
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If genocide is all “centrists” care about then they would be fucking ecstatic over Trump’s policy not mad.
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… Wait, that they’re getting now?
So they should be happy?
I mean, your argument is incoherent enough I think you need to consider an appointment with a mental health professional.
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Not if you don’t admit it to yourself and others!
Let’s be real, the Biden administration didn’t achieve one single thing to slow things down. While they wagged a finger with one hand, they handed over billions of dollars of bombs with the other. They arranged peace talks that Israel super super promised they’d finally show up to this time and then didn’t for the seventh consecutive time in a row, and the Biden administration went “okay” and handed them more bombs. Maybe Trump is objectively worse, but it’s hard to imagine that a Harris presidency would be meaningfully better in this particular regard based on the actions, not the words, of the Biden administration.
Edit: to be clear, I voted for Harris, because I still wanted to reduce harm, but I really was expecting the older, more powerful, more pro-genocide voices in the party to be steering the wheel here, not Harris.
Maybe Trump is objectively worse
Maybe hurricanes are windy.
Ehh. Is there a meaningful difference between “we’ll help you do genocide and pretend to feel bad about it” and “we’ll help you do genocide and build a casino on top of the bodies”? One feels worse, for sure, but the functional distinction is marginal.
To me, this is an unscientific position. What actions on Gaza has the Trump regime taken that are demonstrably worse than what the Biden administration allowed? Are you forming your judgements based on faith or actual critical thought and observation?
Yes, Trump says a lot of things that are worse than those Biden said. But politicians lie all the time. Biden lied about trying to rein in Israel, and Trump so far has blustered a whole lot about mass atrocities he would like to do. But he hasn’t actually done those.
Again, forget the rhetoric. Trump is a dancing rage clown and you’re getting distracted by by the clown.
What has Trump done, MATERIALLY, in Gaza, that is any worse than what Biden did? Again, not rhetoric, actual real-world actions.
What actions on Gaza has the Trump regime taken that are demonstrably worse than what the Biden administration allowed?
I often see this question asked, and I wonder if those asking have been asleep the past few months?
Under Biden:
- Israel was still negotiating with Hamas for a ceasefire and release of hostages. A ceasefire deal was even reached.
- Israel limited the amount of occupation zones at the request of the Biden administration.
- Mass deportations weren’t being planned (at least not openly, and not by the US).
- Israel reduced but still allowed some foreign aid.
Under Trump:
- Israel broke the ceasefire and resumed hostilities with even greater military force.
- Is creating very large occupation zones and “kill zones” where Palestinians are forced to leave.
- Is openly planning mass deportations and ethnic cleansing, in collaboration with the US.
- Israel has blocked foreign aid completely.
As a result people now face mass starvation and the prospect of being fully ethnically cleansed.
I understand Biden was extremely disappointing. I thought he was too. But we shouldn’t kid ourselves that he was in any way equally bad as Trump has been. And given what Trump and Israel have been saying, the worst is likely to come.
Israel was still negotiating with Hamas for a ceasefire and release of hostages. A ceasefire deal was even reached.
As I recall, Israel almost always said they would go to these, and then didn’t, without even telling the Biden administration they were going to miss it. They’d just dead ass no show and leave the Biden team twisting in the wind. Then team Biden would say “well, okay, I guess we have no choice but to give them more bombs.”
Israel reduced but still allowed some foreign aid.
My dude, the way I remember it, we had to build a float dock because Israel wouldn’t allow any aid to come in by ground, and for the little bit they did, they murdered the people who tried to get it. Then, the float dock broke up, and we all just kind of shrugged.
I am one hundred percent convinced that you have zero interest in this, other than to be an agent of chaos.
If you cared at all in any capacity, you’d be intensely aware that Jared Kurschner has spoken about sales of beachfront Lebensraum.
I suspect that Donald Trump’s son in law discussing real estate sales of Palestine shows up nowhere in your online outrage.
I one hundred percent expect that you will pivot back to Democrats Bad.
If the US ever gets to have another presidential election, the account you are using here will never scrutinize what the Trump administration has done, but you will do your utmost to say Both Parties Same.
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What is currently happening, and how it’s happening, is a direct result of the thought process you’ve outlined.
Of all instances in time, it’s now that you want to crank the Both Parties Are the Same knob?
We need to do something about this censorship.
I looked up their mod history and saw “Anti-Yanks ban evasion” What does that even mean?
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As I recall, it was important to punish the Biden administration for their role in assisting Israel.
It’s the duty of every human being in the world not to support criminal rulers with blood on their hands and to call them out. Instead of accusing people who didn’t voted for murderers you should take your time to inform yourself and realize that the US government and many other government around the globe have been assisting and supporting israel government for decades
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What makes you think the Biden administration would have done anything differently?
Do you honestly believe they would have gotten in the way of what Israel wants?
What makes you think the Biden administration would have done anything differently?
My basic observation skills and low tolerance for bullshit.
Do you honestly believe they would have gotten in the way of what Israel wants?
I’ll go out on a limb here, and say that Kamala Harris would not be working to ship Palestinians to Africa.
You know what? I think that Netanyahu’s progress (murder rate) would be much much lower than it is today.
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Remember how Biden wasn’t running for reelection? Yeah no one else does, either.
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Biden would have let his buddy BiBi literally kill every last one is us, don’t kid yourself.
Biden would have let his buddy BiBi literally kill every last one is us, don’t kid yourself.
World opinion on Israel is deteriorating, and has been deteriorating for decades. Punishing democrats enabled the current administration.
Trump is an accelerant. He is currently helping BiBi kill Palestinians at a rate and scale that will bring him closer to his goals, faster than the world finally turns on him.
The Now is consequences of poor voting decisions.
World opinion on Israel is deteriorating, and has been deteriorating for decades.
So maybe harris shouldn’t have hitched her wagon to that particular horse.
Thank God we didn’t let that happen…
Mussolini or Hitler. Should I pick the least worse?
… Yes, yes you absolutely should.
There is literally no comparison there, you absolute grapefruit, Hitler killed something like 30 million people all told, mussolini killed maybe thousands max.
“haha, should I shoot myself in the leg, or in the head, hurr durr!”
Fucking children.
Yep either party will allow Israel to kill children which is a no-brainer. US needs a third or fourth party.
Or tenth?
Or have everyone who isn’t republican vote for themselves to split the vote further?
Honestly at that point just have them vote GOP, it has the same effect.
LOL. The end cracked me up
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First one then the other.
Whichever was weakest to eliminate the strongest, then rinse and repeat.
Your insane childishness is thinking that either matters.
Both need to lose, the GOP should always lose and be destroyed, that’s the actual end goal.
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Hitler was weaker than Stalin. Thank you for clarifying that you would ally with Hitler.
Hitler was winning. He was exterminating Stalin who would have lost without our help.
And Stalin killed as many people as Hitler eventually had before the war even started.
I don’t care about Hitler or Stalin, but I’ll ‘ally’ with either to make sure both die painfully.
Destroying the GOP is my only goal, there’s time to think past that when it’s done.
Btw, in this metaphor, we beat both, and we did it well.
Edit: Stalin stronger than Hitler, hahaha.
Worthless dickless genocidal fuck got his ass handed to him by a handful of Finns, just like their great grandchildren are being made bitches by Ukraine.
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Pick the party that Benjamin Netanyahu wouldn’t be willing to give a solid gold pager as a gift/public relations gesture.
Considering they gave a silver pager to fetterman, that’s not the win you seem to think it is.
ItS nOt A gEnOcIDe!
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What gives them the authority to “plan” the lives of 1 million people halfway across the globe?
77,302,580 stupid assholes and the world’s most powerful military.
Exactly. I want to know how and why anyone would think that this is ok.
Who’s gonna stop them?
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The US Military was a well-oiled machine before January 20, 2025. Now it’s a machine whose oil is driving more than all other machines and is about six months past its due date for an oil change. They’ve announced a bunch of plans for more trips, but nobody’s changing the oil anymore.
This is genocide. What’s more is that even if Israel annexes all of Gaza and the West Bank, people are kidding themselves if they think they’re going to stop there.
It’s almost like Israel needs Lebensraum…
Germany will give Israel Poland to “appease” them. I know this probably won’t happen, but given their recent video taped treatment of localized Palestinians, I don’t think it’s a 0% bet.
“It couldn’t possibly get worse”
Fuck’s sake. I want to cry.
Some people have no imagination…
Deficient, juvenile, and narcissistic. And they make all the marginalized groups they claim to defend suffer for it.
hug
I’m betting this isn’t even about Palestine.
This is to give the US military experience with mass deportations/genocide (look up the definition of genocide, mass deportations are included in the definition) and to dull them to the idea of doing it domestically.
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If the USA has any hands in this other than administrative/diplomatic then it’s probably an excuse to genocide them directly instead of just selling ammo to Netanyahu.
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I haven’t seen any evidence DOGE has saved any money at all. Most if not all estimates say his cuts to the IRS increased the deficit despite all his other cuts.
The point of doge was to steal government data. Not to save money. The firing of essential workers was a distraction tactic to divert your attention away from the fact musk now has information about everyone who has had any contact with the government. They’ll have left a bunch of backdoors into the systems now as well.
Moreover, Kennedy has already set up his database of neurodivergents and the rounding up of undesirables will start when Congress goes into recess this summer. Also they’ll use the data they’ve taken from 23 and me etc to try and round people up based on their genetic profile. I’m not sure it matters to them whether they get it right.
Y’all need to get out before the end of July. IMHO
They didn’t find all that much.
Enough for a packet of biscuits, I heard.
Send the Israelis to Libya instead
While I don’t think it does us any favors to front-load any plans for the future with “just send <group> to <place>”, it’s also good to point out that a chunk of them are originally from Libya in the first place.
Nah, they would colonize it. Send all the Israelis to America where they can suffer.
Coming soon to Libya: new concentration camps
Soldiers for more war in Libya. They won’t have a say, it’ll be mandatory.
Literally taking notes from the nazis…
Not so fun fact, but the nazis based a lot of their shit on the US’s treatment of native Americans, and slaves!
More not so fun facts: Israel is also asking, you Europeans did it in the Americas, Australia and Russia, and sit pretty on top of stolen land but now you have yours are playing holier than thou? It’s quite the sinking feeling that we had some moments when we thought we’ll escape our fucked up nature. I hope we can find a way to put the genie back in cause I’m hating this.
Yup, a lot of cultures are guilty of doing this. In this day and age, we should know better and live and let live.
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Sounds like a good thing.
…and the fucking Russians. Those bastards changed the European borders and murdered anyone who disagreed.
Nazis wanted to kill them all, not move them further away. It’s of course a shitty thing to do, but I’m getting kinda annoyed by how often people use nazis as an example for something when they were far more evil than anything that exists today, essentially downplaying or borderline normalizing nazis because of how commonly it’s now used for real life examples.
This is false. The Nazis originally planned to deport the Jews. They changed to extermination once their deportation plans stopped being practical. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan#Plan_abandoned
Quote:
Once planning for Operation Barbarossa commenced, Hitler asked Himmler to draft a new plan for the elimination of the Jews of Europe, and Himmler passed along the task to Heydrich. His draft proposed the deportation of the Jews to the Soviet Union via Poland.[36] The later Generalplan Ost (General Plan for the East), prepared by Professor Konrad Meyer and others, called for deporting the entire population of occupied Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union to Siberia, either for use as slave labour or to be murdered after the Soviet defeat. The plan hinged on the rapid defeat of the Soviet forces.[37] Once it became apparent that the war against the Soviet Union would drag on much longer than expected, Heydrich revised his plans to concentrate on the Jewish population then under Nazi control. Since transporting masses of people into a combat zone would be impossible, Heydrich decided that the Jews would be killed in extermination camps set up in occupied areas of Poland.[38] The total number of Jews murdered during the resulting Holocaust is estimated at 5.5 to 6 million people.[39]
In other words, by focusing on the end point of the Holocaust and ignoring its starting point YOU are normalizing nazi-like plans that have every potential to escalate.
…dude, I literally talked about what happened, not what was theoretized. Do you have any idea how brutally evil things have US or other countries theoretized? Thinking and doing are two very, VERY different things. Didn’t know this needs explaining.
I responded to what you actually wrote:
Nazis wanted to kill them all, not move them further away. […]
You described intent, i.e., “thinking”.
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PS. Genocide is not a single event in time, it’s a process. An easy way to educate yourself on the matter is by searching YouTube for interviews of Omer Bartov, world renowned Israeli scholar on Genocide and the Holocaust, prof at Brown.
I mean, they were doing it and would have finished doing it if it wasn’t for a world war, so definitely not just thinking
This is also false. The mass killings started in the middle of 1941 after the invasion of the Soviet Union. The systematic policy of extermination was decided in January 1942 in the Wannsee Conference.
There was quite a lot of thinking before doing. And there was quite a lot of doing smaller steps before doing bigger steps. Just like there was quite a lot of thinking smaller steps before thinking bigger steps.
Give it a rest buddy, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Says I’m false
Proceeds to tell me I’m true.
Look buddy who knows it all, when Israel actually decides to kill those million Palestinians instead of moving them, get back to me abd I’ll apologize for my ignorant statements, but as of things stand now, I cannot take you seriously when you push for extreme comparisons while nit-picking how it all started.
Your argument somewhat reminded me of the “weed is a getaway drug to stronger drugs” argument. No, that’s not always the case.
No, the orginal plan was to ship them all to Madagascar. It is well documented
And the original plan for country X was to do Y but since it never happened, it’s irrelevant and people almost never speak of it, except when it suddenly fits their narrative, no matter how stupid/disconnected it is
In other news, USSR and Gulag is exactly the comparison you were actually looking for, but no, gotta always use “nazis” because of how catchy it is to you guys
Nazis started by moving them further away. How do you think israel started.
Trump administration working on final solution to the Palestinian problem
Nothing btonsee here people, just a government working diligently on genocide, nothing to see here
Trail Of Tears mk2? Mk probably much more than that by now.
Take the Palestinians in and we will release your own money.
Libya: “yeah sure we’ll home them…”
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It’s so nice watching centrists fantasize about deporting Muslims like republicans do.
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