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In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.
As I recall, it was important to punish the Biden administration for their role in assisting Israel.
As it turns out, there are severe consequences to ignoring absolutely every warning that Trump would be worse.
With regards to Israel / Palestine, watching this unfold under Biden reminded me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan where the one soldier was going “shhh” while pushing a knife into the other soldier. And someone else watching but not doing anything about it.
Remember that Biden flat out lied to the American public. He will be remembered for his complicity in genocide, and there is absolutely nothing he can do to prevent this legacy. History is written by the victors, but younger generations get the last word.
Trump is certainly worse for Americans, and I voted with this in mind, but both sides are fucking awful for Palestinians. Lest we forget Chuck “my job is to keep the left pro-genocide” Schumer.
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It just wasn’t an important issue when they looked at the polling data. The average American cares more about a lot of other stuff over ethnic cleansing in Palestine.
The incumbent administration looked weak in so many ways, that taking a stance against Israel would not have made a difference. Politically, it was just a wedge issue on the left. They needed to win the voters that moved from Biden to Trump, and the DNC was (and probably still is) entirely incapable of taking any big swings.
They lost because they actually expected to. Neither party actually gives a shit about democracy; power is just a mantle they pass back and forth. They are in a “you win this time” holding pattern waiting for the Republicans to fuck things up so badly that they can come back and win in '26 and '28.
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I think the ghoulish cartoon you paint of Democrats foaming at the mouth at the ongoing genocide in Gaza is inaccurate. Let me be clear, there is genocide happening as part of ethnic cleansing for the entire promised land of Israel. I expect Israel to attempt to expand into Syria next, all the way up the coast to Turkey.
And yeah, USA will sell arms to whomever has the money to buy them, no matter who controls what branch of government.
Ok I am making assumptions about internal polling done by the DNC or the Harris campaign, but Pew and Gallup published poll data before the election.
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It’s the cynicism that is bred by and fuels the political furnace. Cynicism can be understood and respected by your opposition.
Those decades have been spent working to keep progressive and leftist voices out of their party, especially ones that threaten their scaffolding of seniority and stability. They have actively prevented the DNC from what the right pulled off with the Tea Party Movement by tightening the reigns on primaries, disenfranchising and ignoring grassroots movements showing good faith, selling out to corporate lobbies, keeping fresh ideas out of policy by manipulating committee appointments, and so much more.
And are they sorry at all when their machinations play into the hands of fascists? No, they actually seem fucking proud of it.
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I don’t think it’s as unilateral across the party, but the leadership certainly have let Israel and AIPAC too far up their ass. For politics it’s all just money imo.
Also, a lot of people do not care, especially older folks who remember Israel being scrappy in the 60s, or just care about how to pay for their health care or mortgage. Gaza and West Bank genocide is really important to the internet, but a lot of people in their 40s and up are not online much.
If genocide is all “centrists” care about then they would be fucking ecstatic over Trump’s policy not mad.
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… Wait, that they’re getting now?
So they should be happy?
I mean, your argument is incoherent enough I think you need to consider an appointment with a mental health professional.
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Not if you don’t admit it to yourself and others!
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We need to do something about this censorship.
I looked up their mod history and saw “Anti-Yanks ban evasion” What does that even mean?
What is currently happening, and how it’s happening, is a direct result of the thought process you’ve outlined.
Of all instances in time, it’s now that you want to crank the Both Parties Are the Same knob?
Let’s be real, the Biden administration didn’t achieve one single thing to slow things down. While they wagged a finger with one hand, they handed over billions of dollars of bombs with the other. They arranged peace talks that Israel super super promised they’d finally show up to this time and then didn’t for the seventh consecutive time in a row, and the Biden administration went “okay” and handed them more bombs. Maybe Trump is objectively worse, but it’s hard to imagine that a Harris presidency would be meaningfully better in this particular regard based on the actions, not the words, of the Biden administration.
Edit: to be clear, I voted for Harris, because I still wanted to reduce harm, but I really was expecting the older, more powerful, more pro-genocide voices in the party to be steering the wheel here, not Harris.
Maybe hurricanes are windy.
Ehh. Is there a meaningful difference between “we’ll help you do genocide and pretend to feel bad about it” and “we’ll help you do genocide and build a casino on top of the bodies”? One feels worse, for sure, but the functional distinction is marginal.
To me, this is an unscientific position. What actions on Gaza has the Trump regime taken that are demonstrably worse than what the Biden administration allowed? Are you forming your judgements based on faith or actual critical thought and observation?
Yes, Trump says a lot of things that are worse than those Biden said. But politicians lie all the time. Biden lied about trying to rein in Israel, and Trump so far has blustered a whole lot about mass atrocities he would like to do. But he hasn’t actually done those.
Again, forget the rhetoric. Trump is a dancing rage clown and you’re getting distracted by by the clown.
What has Trump done, MATERIALLY, in Gaza, that is any worse than what Biden did? Again, not rhetoric, actual real-world actions.
I often see this question asked, and I wonder if those asking have been asleep the past few months?
Under Biden:
Under Trump:
As a result people now face mass starvation and the prospect of being fully ethnically cleansed.
I understand Biden was extremely disappointing. I thought he was too. But we shouldn’t kid ourselves that he was in any way equally bad as Trump has been. And given what Trump and Israel have been saying, the worst is likely to come.
As I recall, Israel almost always said they would go to these, and then didn’t, without even telling the Biden administration they were going to miss it. They’d just dead ass no show and leave the Biden team twisting in the wind. Then team Biden would say “well, okay, I guess we have no choice but to give them more bombs.”
My dude, the way I remember it, we had to build a float dock because Israel wouldn’t allow any aid to come in by ground, and for the little bit they did, they murdered the people who tried to get it. Then, the float dock broke up, and we all just kind of shrugged.
I am one hundred percent convinced that you have zero interest in this, other than to be an agent of chaos.
If you cared at all in any capacity, you’d be intensely aware that Jared Kurschner has spoken about sales of beachfront Lebensraum.
I suspect that Donald Trump’s son in law discussing real estate sales of Palestine shows up nowhere in your online outrage.
I one hundred percent expect that you will pivot back to Democrats Bad.
If the US ever gets to have another presidential election, the account you are using here will never scrutinize what the Trump administration has done, but you will do your utmost to say Both Parties Same.
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It’s the duty of every human being in the world not to support criminal rulers with blood on their hands and to call them out. Instead of accusing people who didn’t voted for murderers you should take your time to inform yourself and realize that the US government and many other government around the globe have been assisting and supporting israel government for decades
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What makes you think the Biden administration would have done anything differently?
Do you honestly believe they would have gotten in the way of what Israel wants?
My basic observation skills and low tolerance for bullshit.
I’ll go out on a limb here, and say that Kamala Harris would not be working to ship Palestinians to Africa.
You know what? I think that Netanyahu’s progress (murder rate) would be much much lower than it is today.
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Remember how Biden wasn’t running for reelection? Yeah no one else does, either.
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Biden would have let his buddy BiBi literally kill every last one is us, don’t kid yourself.
World opinion on Israel is deteriorating, and has been deteriorating for decades. Punishing democrats enabled the current administration.
Trump is an accelerant. He is currently helping BiBi kill Palestinians at a rate and scale that will bring him closer to his goals, faster than the world finally turns on him.
The Now is consequences of poor voting decisions.
So maybe harris shouldn’t have hitched her wagon to that particular horse.
Thank God we didn’t let that happen…
Mussolini or Hitler. Should I pick the least worse?
… Yes, yes you absolutely should.
There is literally no comparison there, you absolute grapefruit, Hitler killed something like 30 million people all told, mussolini killed maybe thousands max.
“haha, should I shoot myself in the leg, or in the head, hurr durr!”
Fucking children.
Yep either party will allow Israel to kill children which is a no-brainer. US needs a third or fourth party.
Or tenth?
Or have everyone who isn’t republican vote for themselves to split the vote further?
Honestly at that point just have them vote GOP, it has the same effect.
LOL. The end cracked me up
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First one then the other.
Whichever was weakest to eliminate the strongest, then rinse and repeat.
Your insane childishness is thinking that either matters.
Both need to lose, the GOP should always lose and be destroyed, that’s the actual end goal.
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Hitler was winning. He was exterminating Stalin who would have lost without our help.
And Stalin killed as many people as Hitler eventually had before the war even started.
I don’t care about Hitler or Stalin, but I’ll ‘ally’ with either to make sure both die painfully.
Destroying the GOP is my only goal, there’s time to think past that when it’s done.
Btw, in this metaphor, we beat both, and we did it well.
Edit: Stalin stronger than Hitler, hahaha.
Worthless dickless genocidal fuck got his ass handed to him by a handful of Finns, just like their great grandchildren are being made bitches by Ukraine.
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Voting against them worked 3 times out of the last 5.
Should have worked more but people didn’t understand the only thing that matters is causing the GOP pain.
Pick the party that Benjamin Netanyahu wouldn’t be willing to give a solid gold pager as a gift/public relations gesture.
Considering they gave a silver pager to fetterman, that’s not the win you seem to think it is.