Russians are employing this dastardly new technology called “mines” which no army on earth has encountered before, least of all those of the NATO members like France, Germany and the UK.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64855760
There are no mines, it’s all just shovels. The Ukrainian forces step on the shovels and get hit in the face. Russian shovel technology is too advanced for NATOists to overcome.
The 300 Spartans were also better trained. Still got merxied by Xerxes.
One thing that never seems to get brought up in discussion of the battle of Thermopylae is that the Spartans also brought ~900 conscripted helots to fight for them (according to Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus estimated it closer to 1000). They were still totally outnumbered (combined forces of the city states was somewhere between 5,200-7,700 men compared to the 120,000 that fought for Persia).
But the bulk of Sparta’s army being untrained slaves conscripted into fighting somewhat degrades the idea of this elite fighting force™ that works like 300 like to pretend they were.
Oh yeah that movie is hot fascist garbage.
There’s so much emphasis on how the Spartans are the dangerous, tough, manly men, the only force that can save the West™ from the removed other.
My favourite scene for this is when Leonidas yells at the Greeks for not being professional soldiers, 'cos IRL some 400 of those would’ve been from Thebes, which not only also had a professional military, it had a larger and better trained one, and would already have defeated Sparta in battle multiple times by this point.
No federation, but aren’t mines a war crime because they outlast the war and hurt civilians?
Most of the world agreed to ban mines in the Ottowa Convention, but as usual the countries that really matter (US, Russia, China, etc.) didn’t sign it and aren’t bound by it.
I still want to know what level of brainworms would lead to them to smugly making a point, defeating that point extensively and then arriving to the conclusion that their point was absolutely correct. Its like their subconsciousness was trying to correct them mid post to no avail.
Curious. They claim NATO exists as self defense against a peer enemy, yet their strategies only work against small, relatively defenseless countries!
“It’s not fair because all of nato doctorine is based on fighting uprisings without existing state power or militaries”
I love soviet tactics, its literally finding out countering western overcomplicated and extremely expensive wunderwaffen with the cheapest shit
super advanced jets? outfly these 9 missiles that we can replace instantly
Long distance stealth bombers? Attach rocket boosters to a plane that scares the US for decades
Its hilarious
Oh you’re doing some weird thing where you amass all your force in one point in order to cause a breakthrough, which you then push as far as you can? We make deep battle lines and disrupt your logistical capabilities.
Oh you’ve got super fancy tanks? Have you heard of landmines?
Create a whole naval doctrine centered around carrier’s and their defence? Hypersonic cruise missile that blows it up in one hit, rendering almost 80 years of NATO doctrine fucking useless. Hell, even the DPRK has it but somehow america doesn’t.
Super complicated top of the line tank hailed the world over (leopards), gets owned by dudes with soviet t72s and t90s
Super complicated top of the line tank hailed the world over (leopards), gets owned by dudes with soviet t72s and t90s.
The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Tigers in WWII got owned by the T-34.
People talk a lot about its design, but first off: transmission broke. Secondly the German cats might’ve been designed well (I disagree on a lot of forms) but if they can’t be produced, and they can’t be utilised effectively in the war that they are created for, then their design isn’t actually good. Design isn’t just a questionbof “who can think up the coolest thing?” It’s also - and much more so - a question of “what is realistically possible?”
Saying Soviet design was “worse” because it was simpler or not as fancy is silly. Soviet design was better, because while it might not have as many fancy doodads, it was actually able to be produced, used, maintained and repaired. What good is your tank if it never even shows up on the battlefield?
It’s the same with the F16s Ukraine is allegedly receiving. This supposed wonderjet can’t handle dirt on the landing field, it can’t deal that well with rain, and it requires very specialised crew. I dunno if it’s stats are better or whatever, but it doesn’t matter if it can’t even take off.
And this attitude is so typical for the west!
“Our leopards will crush the enemy”
they might’ve, if they didn’t run headfirst into landmines before anything else happened.
Our bastions in Afghanistan are filled with high-tech, they will crush any engagement with the Taleban ".
they might, if they weren’t perpetually undermanned by people too tired to stand because a child with a rifle kept the base on high alert all night.
Our chinooks are able to transport troops anywhere.
They might be, if you had any troops to transport.People also tend to forget that the T-34 was operational in 1941 but the Tiger didn’t appear on the battlefield until about a year and a half later.
There are plenty of Nazi war diaries of German troops pissing and shitting themselves when they found that their anti-tank weapons couldn’t hurt T-34s or KVs in 1941.
There are plenty of Nazi war diaries of German troops pissing and shitting themselves when they found that their anti-tank weapons couldn’t hurt T-34s or KVs in 1941.
although not to be a downer, this is mitigated by the fact that t34s were very rare at that point (as the soviets were smack dab in the middle of rearmament). They mostly encountered the weaker BT-7’s and T-36 and T38. It took until a year or two until they were really fucked. The Soviets were the only side that truly knew how to win that war, their main tank could go at very high speeds while 1v1ing the tiger tank. Germans were fucked by 43.
French aristocrat knights, c. 14th century: “how dare these English peasants shoot me with longbows!!! Where’s their chivalry!!!”
(Actual military history may vary)
“To teach them a lesson I will ride towards them, down this muddy hill while wearing sommuch armour I cannot stand up on my own. What could possibly go wrong?”
i know you’re doing a bit, but only jousting armour was too heavy to stand in. would be hella shitty to be in full plate if you couldnt move
NATO tactics assume air superiority.
I keep harping on this point again and again because I really cannot get across how fucking stupid it is: YOU DO NOT ASSUME AIR SUPREMACY OVER ANOTHER NATION’S AIRSPACE, YOU FUCKING INCOMPETENT IDIOTS. YOU CANNOT PROJECT AIR POWER 500 MILES DEEP INTO A NATION WITH A COMPREHENSIVE AIR DEFENSE NETWORK, RADARS, AND SAM SITES. YOUR STEALTH TECHNOLOGY IS NOT INVINCIBLE, AND YOUR SHITTY OVERPRICED BULLSHIT F-35 WILL GET SHOT DOWN AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND THIS IS WHY YOU REFUSE TO DEPLOY THEM ON ACTUAL FRONTLINES.
Then again, since NATO keeps doubling-down on this idea it just means they’re more likely to get fucking annihilated anytime they fight a near-peer in conventional warfare, so critical support to the failson Wunderwaffen generals I guess?
I’m sorry but no amount of training on the Ukrainian side is going to make up for Russia producing 2.5 million shells a year, that’s just the maths
They’ve been taught to duck tho
westoids can’t into material conditions even during war
KEK
It’s like those sweaty tryhards in online shooters that scream slurs and whine about how sniper rifles/grenades/whatever are “no skill” and because they didn’t receive an e-honourable e-duel 1v1 with pistols (but only skilled pistols) they won by default while losing
Yeah, except real life.
Well, real life to the Ukrainians. It might as well be a game to the libs cheering it on from their armchairs.
Wine cave warriors are getting endless murder treats by staying tuned to the war, complete with a bullshit propaganda angle to make them feel like their favorite team is winning.
we’re crushing Russia using only 8% of our budget. Never mind the blood. Never mind the bodies of Ukrainians this cave is carved out of.Wine cave warrior is a fantastic term btw.
When’s it my turn to have a cave of wine?
Mom says it’s my turn in the wine cave.
If I’m remembering right that commentor went on to give a very optimistic prognosis for the counteroffensive. Arguing that because the first line of Russian defences near Robotyne had breached: Tokmak will be captured imminently, putting the entire Russian logistical network under threat and severing the land bridge to Crimea, which will then lead to the total collapse of Russian military power in southern Ukraine. It’s a nice story but one completely divorced from the actual reality of the counteroffensive.
They’re really putting themselves at risk by buying their own bullshit.
According to reddit libs only the first line is actual fighting conscripts then every line behind that is just to shoot retreating russians so once you break through the first line you can casually stroll to Moscow.
Gonna be really hard to explain why they haven’t made any progress 6 months after “breaking the line” in the future.
- NATO is forcing completely absurd tactics and strategies on the Ukrainians that has cost tens of thousands of lives, and this is why we need to support Ukraine even more with more NATO training and wonderweapons!
One thing that I think doesn’t get discussed that much is that military aid from NATO allies is great and all but providing tanks to Ukraine (for example) on the face of it, sounds pretty swell but unless troops are trained to operate that particular tank then they will be unable to be efficient and coordinated on the battlefield.
This varies depending on what is being provided. Obviously, for a gun, there’s less of a learning curve than a missile battery or a helicopter which is of a significantly different design to what the Ukrainian military is experienced in operating in the theatre of war.
But there’s a narrative that has developed in the mainstream audience in the west that you just plop down some additional tanks or what have you and it’ll just *work*. But this is war, not some strategy game, and the average person doesn’t seem to have any grasp of the realities on the ground.
But when I play HOI IV I can just click the button and upgrade the equipment? I think it’s you that doesn’t get how works
