• theturtlemoves [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    8·
    9 months ago

    I don’t think the comparison with Corbyn is fair. Labour looks like it will win the next election by a landslide, and whatever Corbyn says will have little impact on that. Also, criticising Israeli aggression isn’t as career-ending in the UK as it is in the US. So I think Corbyn has a lot more freedom to follow his conscience, whereas Bernie has to tread very carefully.

    • edge [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      25·
      9 months ago

      Corbyn has been loudly anti-Zionism for his entire career AFAIK. Also it literally did end his career (well, his leadership), the “antisemitism” bullshit is what other Labour members used to tank him in 2017 and he just didn’t recover from there.

      And there’s a difference between “treading carefully” and basically throwing full support behind Israel (but asking them to be a little nicer) like Bernie is doing.

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      12·
      9 months ago

      Labour looks like it will win the next election by a landslide, and whatever Corbyn says will have little impact on that.

      Until he announces a new party.

      • edge [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        9·
        9 months ago

        Honestly he probably wouldn’t for exactly that reason. While he is better than Bernie, I’m guessing he shares in the “we have to beat [the Tories/Trump]” sentiment.

        • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          12·
          9 months ago

          Uhh no Corbyn absolutely doesn’t share that sentiment lmao.

          I believe the rumours. We heard about certain discussions before the news even started mentioning it. There were definitely enquiries and conversations going on behind closed doors.

          If we split the labour vote and win constituencies forcing Labour to make a coalition to form a government we can actually force them left. There’s no reason not to do it, same strategy that UKIP used against the conservative party to force them further right.

          • edge [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            5·
            9 months ago

            There’s no reason not to do it

            Is Labour really that far ahead that a spoiler couldn’t hand it to the Tories?

            I believe the rumours. We heard about certain discussions before the news even started mentioning it.

            Damn, I didn’t know there’s actual rumors. I thought it was more a hypothetical. Hype. Do it Jezza, please.

              • edge [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                3·
                9 months ago

                I don’t buy the argument that the spoiler effect is the fault of the new party or that it means people shouldn’t try to start a new party, but the spoiler effect is real. It’s the reason FPTP is so shit. And because it’s real, many succdems do think a new party would be bad (again, I don’t think that). I expected Corbyn to be one of those succdems, but I guess I might be wrong, which is good.