I’m only skeptical because that’s what people said during BLM and we can see how that turned out. This is obviously different because it’s harder to co-opt and it’s people expressly caring about another country and not a vague self-interest, but I still worry it’ll just get spectaclized and moved on from in 1 year.
People may have said it but 2020-era BLM honestly was always full of anti-Trump libs. It was clearly not radical to me, although 2012-era BLM was much better. Occupy was probably a more radical movement generally but, also, watered down by too many libs.
I was too young to participate meaningfully but the Bush anti-war movement was also probably full of libs mourning Gore’s loss. I can’t say myself, but I do hope this time it really is pushing people into the Left’s cutting-edge.
It didn’t turn out to be radical but it was the most radical thing a lot of us have experienced in our lifetime. A police station got burned to the ground. Giant crowds of people blocking bridges.
It did at least accomplish the goal of cops becoming national villains. Their ranks have thinned at least
That’s true. I mean, a lot of people who participated in 2020-BLM were too young for either Occupy or 2012-BLM so it makes sense as a matter of course.
But, other than the burning of a police station (), as far as I can remember all those things were done many times in both Occupy and 2012-BLM too despite the presence of libs. Libs do sometimes like to riot porn as a phase of youthful indiscretion.
BLM 2020 ranged. I also remember events with the police to prove they weren’t ACAB but just wanted police reforms and an end to racial brutality in particular. There was also one video I saw of a large group tackling and dragging someone in Black Bloc and handing them over to cops to appear to maintain civil, peaceful protest which really left me speechless.
I think the spectacle of the Trump presidency did a lot for organization, whether they were libs or not.
That momentum was killed almost immediately after Biden came into office. But now there’s a new spectacle, that cannot be written off as the fault of the orange man. My bloomer take is this new momentum is built on something more material and visceral that can maybe transcend the effect that killed the momentum with Biden.
Just a hope. I have this weird vibe that trump was vaguely better for the country in the way a fever is “good” because its your body fighting off infection. If you take an asprin to reduce the fever, you’re not addressing the cause of the fever, just the symptoms, but now you’ll take longer to get better, just in comfort. This isn’t really based on theory, but shit man, a lot more people were in the streets when fascism was loud n proud.
With Trump there was a multiplication effect. The liberals wanted to cause havoc. They wanted to cause problems and spectacle. They fed into leftist organising and agitation as part of that.
As soon as Trump was gone, the liberals went back to brunch and their impact on boosting leftist organising was immediately felt.
I think the spectacle of the Trump presidency did a lot for organization
I almost saw the opposite, Trump made Libs feel like their were the resistance and a lot of younger leftists fell for it and basically became Libs themselves. All energy was directed at fighting Trump and anyone even slightly to the left of him became an “ally”.
I’m only skeptical because that’s what people said during BLM and we can see how that turned out. This is obviously different because it’s harder to co-opt and it’s people expressly caring about another country and not a vague self-interest, but I still worry it’ll just get spectaclized and moved on from in 1 year.
People may have said it but 2020-era BLM honestly was always full of anti-Trump libs. It was clearly not radical to me, although 2012-era BLM was much better. Occupy was probably a more radical movement generally but, also, watered down by too many libs.
I was too young to participate meaningfully but the Bush anti-war movement was also probably full of libs mourning Gore’s loss. I can’t say myself, but I do hope this time it really is pushing people into the Left’s cutting-edge.
It didn’t turn out to be radical but it was the most radical thing a lot of us have experienced in our lifetime. A police station got burned to the ground. Giant crowds of people blocking bridges.
It did at least accomplish the goal of cops becoming national villains. Their ranks have thinned at least
That’s true. I mean, a lot of people who participated in 2020-BLM were too young for either Occupy or 2012-BLM so it makes sense as a matter of course.
But, other than the burning of a police station (
), as far as I can remember all those things were done many times in both Occupy and 2012-BLM too despite the presence of libs. Libs do sometimes like to riot porn as a phase of youthful indiscretion.
BLM 2020 ranged. I also remember events with the police to prove they weren’t ACAB but just wanted police reforms and an end to racial brutality in particular. There was also one video I saw of a large group tackling and dragging someone in Black Bloc and handing them over to cops to appear to maintain civil, peaceful protest which really left me speechless.
I think the spectacle of the Trump presidency did a lot for organization, whether they were libs or not.
That momentum was killed almost immediately after Biden came into office. But now there’s a new spectacle, that cannot be written off as the fault of the orange man. My bloomer take is this new momentum is built on something more material and visceral that can maybe transcend the effect that killed the momentum with Biden.
Just a hope. I have this weird vibe that trump was vaguely better for the country in the way a fever is “good” because its your body fighting off infection. If you take an asprin to reduce the fever, you’re not addressing the cause of the fever, just the symptoms, but now you’ll take longer to get better, just in comfort. This isn’t really based on theory, but shit man, a lot more people were in the streets when fascism was loud n proud.
With Trump there was a multiplication effect. The liberals wanted to cause havoc. They wanted to cause problems and spectacle. They fed into leftist organising and agitation as part of that.
As soon as Trump was gone, the liberals went back to brunch and their impact on boosting leftist organising was immediately felt.
Liberals also didn’t just go back to brunch. They became much more actively hostile to organizing.
I almost saw the opposite, Trump made Libs feel like their were the resistance and a lot of younger leftists fell for it and basically became Libs themselves. All energy was directed at fighting Trump and anyone even slightly to the left of him became an “ally”.
I mean, CHAZ also happened under trump which was sorta nuts. But I also understand what you’re saying.