• Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Why do liberals need to believe their dumbshit baby politics are complicated? “It’s complex it’s nuanced” it almost never is, it’s just transparent corruption or warmongering.

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        Because they are stupid fucking marks who are maybe even more anti-intellectual than chuds. Every liberal I meet like this is identical. If you don’t agree with them, it’s because you’re stupid.

        Democrats can’t do the good thing or stop the bad thing because it’s ‘complex’. They won’t do any independent research on why it’s complex, but you should just trust them that it is.

        I am so sick of this archetype of person.

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          I got told by my mom during an argument about Israel-Palestine that my solution (israel stops existing and israelis become equal citizens in Palestine) was utopian, shortly before she proposed nuking Israel because “they keep fighting no matter what, so this is the only way”

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              Even things from living memory! “How will we solve the housing crises?!!” like seizing all the land and building more houses isn’t staggeringly obvious.

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            Anyone who proposed the solution of nuclear warfare should seek therapy. I know your mom will never have access to nukes but it says a lot about someone’s character when instead of solving a problem, they’d rather murder millions of innocent people.

            I don’t mean to sound attacky. My own mom would say the same fucking thing.

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              Every couple of months I get to hear, completely unprompted, how many hundreds of millions of Chinese people we could kill if we somehow interdicted the straights of Malacca. There’s something deeply, horrifyingly wrong with Americans.

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                  I used to think that when I was, idk, 15? 9/11 had just happened and I was about as wise as a not particularly wise rock. It’s so weird to look back on, especially now having watched the destruction of Iraq, Libya, and countless other nations while having more experience and perspective.

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                    Being on the opposite side of the country may have helped but I remember my teacher asking us how we felt about getting terrorismed and I couldn’t fathom why I should care about a bunch of stock brokers getting got any more than a recent tsunami that had hit China and killed several thousand people.

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        it’s just transparent corruption or warmongering

        That’s exactly why they need to believe it’s complicated. If they recognized that it’s not, they’d be acknowledging their own complicity.

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        yes it’s transparent corruption and warmongering, but it also maintains a system that provides me with cheap consumer electronics and year-round fresh tropical fruits, coffee, and chocolate, so it’s fucking complicated goddammit!

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        Because they need to be the smartest babyboys in the room, and if everyone has a simple solution, then you can feel really smart if you can point out how it’s not at all that simple actually. It’s literally all their policy.
        “Israel-Palestine is complicated.” No it isn’t, stop funding colonial settlers doing genocide.
        “Homelessness is complicated” no it isn’t, give them homes.
        “Starvation is complicated” No it isn’t, we produce more food than we need and throw most of it out before it even reaches a store. Give it away.
        “Healthcare is complicated” no it isn’t, make it universal like everywhere else
        “Education is complicated” no it isn’t, make it free
        “War is complicated” no it isn’t, stop doing it
        “Water scarcity is complicated” no it isn’t, stop having golf courses and stop growing pistacchios in a desert
        “Public transport is complicated” no it isn’t, you’re just wasting all the money on financing the private automobile industry
        “The massive prisoner population and wrongful incarcerations and shitty courts is complicated” no it isn’t, you’ve privatized prison and you’re using slave patrols to uphold the law. Don’t do that.

        Libs like to pretend like this shit is complicated so they can feel cleverer than the people that say the things are simple. Now if these things actually ARE simple, then the libs would turn out to be fucking idiots.

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          “Starvation is complicated” No it isn’t, we produce more food than we need and throw most of it out before it even reaches a store. Give it away.

          It’s worse than that. The US massively subsidizes a lot of staples. They’re dumped on foreign markets at below market prices. Local food producers can’t sell their product and eventually fold, shutting down their farms. Or they switch to cash crops. Then, when the US decides to send it’s grain somewhere else, or the market for hte cash crop collapses, there’s either no money to buy food or no food at all and people starve.

          A lot of 20th and 21st century famines were caused this way, with western powers, the IMF, the world bank, destroying local food security, forcing cash crops on people, instituting expensive input intensive farming practices unsuited for hte land, then wringing their hands and holding Live Aid concerts when a famine ensued.

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        Also just makes them sound like an incredulous moron to everybody who perfectly understands the problem because they aren’t desperately refusing to understand it.

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      If it’s too complicated, you just need to leave it to the experts. And we all know that the folks who make the most money know the most about things, so…