edit: IT WAS ELEMENTARY, DEAR DATA. i liked seeing data have a nice time and solve mysteries :)

also the stuff with moriarty was fun i guess

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          sure but it’s 200 episodes. i watch them in the background while doing shit but even so that’s so much tv to get through. i’m watching most episodes going forwards though, i was pretty strict when dropping episodes season 1 because it’s so hated

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            Code of Honor is worth skipping. The rest, you’d be surprised how not bad they are if you pay attention to them. They’re bad by tng standards but a lot do have cool stuff going on. Ds9 is the best one but there’s a lot to enjoy and the worse early episodes hit better if you haven’t seen the show on all cylinders. Measure of a Man will be the first hit of that

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              nah, i watched like half of them the whole way through and they were mostly fine but like, i’m totally fine skipping some episodes that are at best fine. 178 episodes is so many, especially when i am then going to watch deep space nine which is just as long. i’m going to watch more going forwards, only skip if an episode is truly intolerable to me, but still

              i am going to watch every episode of every gundam (maybe except seed and seed destiny) within my lifespan, i cannot make that kind of commitment to another scifi megafranchise rn

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        You’re fucking doing it right. I watched the first three seasons of TNG back to back, and I was like “You could gather all the good episodes and make less than one good season from them. Just cut like 70% or more of the episodes.”

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    If you haven’t seen Deep Space 9, that would be the next series I’d recommend.

    Strange New Worlds is excellent as well, but definitely a different vibe.

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        That’s smart mind. TNG is baseline Star Trek for most of the franchise and is the best general starting point. Ds9 is fantastic but does rely on a familiarity with trek up to that point.

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        TNG first is the right way to do it. DS9 is in many ways a subversion and doesn’t work as well without that context. The weight of Sisko’s moral compromise from In the Pale Moonlight, DS9’s undisputed best episode, comes from the frankly kind of naive idealism of TNG. Without it, you just get another generic “morally grey” circle jerk.

        For people who don’t want to sit through lie a 100 hours of TNG first, I’d recommend still watching it but using an episode guide to cherry pick the best/most important episodes rather than skipping it entirely.

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    Recommending TNG to someone these days is an experience. “hey you should watch TNG. It’s great in later seasons but starts off really bad. Also, watch out for the two incredibly racist episodes about the Irish and Africans!”

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        I like the holodeck episodes a lot, I think they’re really fun. You get these wildly tropey episodes with aliens and robots, they’re great.

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      i started from season 1 but skipped any episode i got bad vibes from and people online all seemed to dislike

      code of honor was one of the ones i just flat out skipped, on account of hearing literally nothing positive about it and it seeming very racist

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      those were good but not great. my favorite season 1 episode was probably home soil, which was just like the platonic ideal of what i feel like a solid star trek episode should be (not what i’m talking about though)

      even a good chunk of the bad ones have been very watchable

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        home soil, which was just like the platonic ideal of what i feel like a solid star trek episode should be

        I think we would get along quite well. You’re obviously a person clear of thought with good taste.

        I really believe that the advent of good-quality CGI on a TV show budget combined with writers’ lack of self discipline was Star Trek’s decline. Starting with the latter half of DS9. All those Dominion War battles where hundreds of ship were blowing up every few minutes after getting hit just once certainly attracted the Star Wars crowd, but they had none of the emotional intensity of something like TOS’s “The Conscience of the King” (which is the third best Star Trek episode ever), or TNG’s “The Survivors” (#2), or DS9’s “Duet” (#1). Starship battles should be slow, ponderous affairs akin to WW2 naval battles, and certainly not an every-episode thing. I feel like the finale starship battle in “The Undiscovered Country” is the platonic ideal of what a starship battle should be. The Enterprise and Excelsior in that movie felt heavy in a good way. Their rugged and powerful design declared “Don’t mistake peaceful for weak” to any foreign power looking to start shit with the Federation.

        I wasn’t concerned about the hundreds-per-second crew kill count during DS9’s “Sacrifice of Angels” when so many ships were blowing up so often. I was looking at my watch. I just wanted the battle to end so we could get back to the unfolding drama happening on occupied DS9. I was far more emotionally affected by TOS’s “Balance of Terror” during the final scene in the ship’s chapel. One death that hit harder than countless anonymous starship crews.

        One of the things I really like about “Lower Decks” is that the writers do have the self-discipline not to write huge battles scenes for all the episodes, which they could easily do with animation. They save the big dramatic battles for a handful of episodes, and their rarity adds to their emotional impact. I don’t think the USS Cerritos even fires on another ship in the whole first season. I would eagerly watch anything that this series’ writers are involved in in the future, because it is the best-written Star Trek anything in literally decades.

        And I’ll say this here because “Lower Decks” is on my mind: the design of its comm badges and the design of the California-class itself parallel each other beautifully. Both are relatively simple and practical designs, no ornamentation or even complex geometry here. The comm badge is just a black-rimmed Starfleet-delta. And the California-class is just a round saucer, two nacelles, and a simple engineering hull. But the practicality and simplicity of both designs is a kind of elegance of its own. This is working hardware, not flashy hardware. This is hardware for the ones who roll up their sleeves. Which I literally just realized that Mariner does too. It’s all making more sense now.

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          ok not to say you SHOULDN’T go on a long passionate rant about a scifi series you love but have mixed feelings about (look at my post history and i have 2 in the last couple hours), but i would like to again state that i am watching tng for the first time, and have in fact never watched star trek outside this before (as i think i mentioned in the og version of the post before getting rid of that to say what the episode i liked was)

          also when i say home soil is the platonic ideal of a solid star trek episode i mean 2 things. first that it’s a very solid 7/10, and second that it’s exactly what i expected going into star trek. looking forwards to understanding more about what you’re talking about, i’ve heard nothing but good things about lower decks!